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Update from the ITTF:

12. EQUIPMENT UPDATE.

12.1 Bounce test project status:

The Equipment staff continued the work with the Equipment Committee to update the T9, however, there is a delay due to the sick leave of the key staff member.

Together with the Institute for Sports Research (ISR) in Singapore
they developed 2 versions of the device:

o Low cost (using the concept of ball hitting the ceiling of the
apparatus as a reference to determine pass/fail)

o Premium version (using sensor) – similar to what was presented
in Tokyo but with more sensors in this improved version. Tests
are in progress to verify accuracy of readings.

 Research to improve the accuracy is:

o Use of membrane on rubber to get more accurate results without
needing to consider the stickiness of the rubber.

o Use of platform (steel or acrylic) to ensure racket is fully horizontal.

o Use of release device to ensure a consistent drop.

 The 3 fastest rubbers and blades were collected from the equipment
manufacturers to test and determine the acceptable pass ceiling. This
limit needs to be further developed as recent tests show that
temperature affects the bounce measured.

JTTA explained the rationale behind the bounce test. There is no
checking system for boosting, except gas chromatography, and the
control of rubber performance are required to promote a level playing
field.
It was suggested that the Equipment Committee coordinates with the
Athletes Commission to investigate other ways as well to discover
boosting.

The general feeling was that the bounce test project is not yet ready
for implementation for several reasons:

a) Technical problems with the device regarding membrane, platform
and consistency of the measures;

b) Changes in environment (like temperature) could influence the measures;

c) Bounce limit is not yet fixed and if the Athletes Commission
proposition on 4.25 mm thickness is accepted, new calibration
would be necessary.

8-EC-02-2015

FINAL RESOLUTION.
The Executive Committee decided to refer the bounce test project back to the Equipment Committee for further study and experimentation, and asked to conduct tests at an ITTF event once the device and the procedure is ready. If successful, the Technical Leaflet 9 has to be updated and be presented to the
next BoD in 2016 for approval.


February 08, 2015.

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This project seems a complete waste of time and resources to me. Speed glue, and subsequently boosters, where banned for health reason, and surely current boosters present no significant health issues anymore.
Factory boosting is still perfectly legal, yet boosting by individuals (who may wish to get the effect effect) is not legal, and the ITTF put all this effort into preventing this. Surely there are more worthy causes to spend this time and effort???

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Well, bounce test, or COR, is even more difficult to test. The bounce elevation per ball speed relation is not linear.

And very time consuming to test several possible ball speed

Well there is the very important goal of establishing national associations in Eritrea, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde and Bahamas. That will cost a few million.

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So what's new?

Its just the ITTF coming up with new ideas to occupy some staff time to justify their employment and their existence.

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Maybe all this comes from all the people whining that the Chinese are boosting their Hurricane... I suppose, if they set standards, then factory boosting will be out as well - if they set the standards high enough that factory boosting is in, then DIY boosting will also pass, as long as it doesn't exceed the limits the factory boosting doesn't exceed. If you think about it, if Tenergy 05 passes so should boost jobs of, say, 729 or Hurricane.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think it actually legalizes boosting - as long as your boost job doesn't exceed the pass limit, which means Tenergy 05 bounce.

Iskandar

Hi,

I think that ITTF should do apply rules, or should change them to make them apply : services, boosters, speed glue, prohibited pips ; some players applies, some others not => there is no longer equality.

So, we have made a PETITION for it :
The link is on the facebook page, there : http://www.facebook.com/ITTF.change.the.rules.or.made.them.apply

What do you think about it ?

Julien, from FRANCE.

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Julien,
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www.facebook.com/ITTF.change.the.rules.or.made.them.apply/
https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/FF ... S/?nytYwjb

Seems like a good initiative Julien, but I doubt the ITTF will pay one iota of attention to it.

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It depends of the numbers of petitionners ...
All action begins by few people.

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Julien,
FRANCE
www.facebook.com/ITTF.change.the.rules.or.made.them.apply/
https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/FF ... S/?nytYwjb

If I can ever figure out how to log into Facebook again I might sign it...

Iskandar

- The direct link (petition in french) : https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/FFTT_et_ITTF_a_lattention_de_ses_Dirigeants_FAITES_ENFIN_APPLIQUER_LES_REGLES_OU_MODIFIEZLES/?nytYwjb

- The PETITION translated (a better one):

Dear ITTF’s Leaders, and National Federations’s Leaders,

We expect you to finally get involved and actively apply the Table Tennis rules concerning Services, Boosters, Speed Glue, and prohibited Pips; or that you work so that these rules are modified and can, at last, be applied!

We want matchs to be played in equitable terms, for everyone.

Hidden services have been prohibited for 12 years; glue and boosters for 7. We cannot stay in this vague and unfair situation, where some players comply with the rules and others do not - sometimes even boasting publicly about it.

It does tarnish the image of our Sport, and we can no longer accept that. What image are we giving? That of a game in which the players can decide to apply the established Rules or not?

Please act, now, for Table Tennis and Equality!

You were elected to manage and organize our Sport… You can do it even better than what you are now!

We are strongly counting on you, please don’t wait any longer.

Sportingly.
The petitioners

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Julien,
FRANCE
www.facebook.com/ITTF.change.the.rules.or.made.them.apply/
https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/FF ... S/?nytYwjb

A few comments

1. You raise many issues here, and each one will require very different methods to be resolved. I think it's better to address one issue at the time.

2. To get better support from the English speaking community, it would be high beneficial to get your statement translated by a native English speaker, because the language in your translation above, and on the Facebook page, is rather poor (no offense intended) and may not be taken seriously.

3. The ITTF is not elected, nor are they accountable to anyone, so they can pretty much do what they want, without consequences. They are not responsible for rules and enforcement at local level, only international, so they will likely just tell you to complaint to your national association.

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Thanks.
Would you correct the Text for me Haggisv ?
I disagree with you on the third point. And the petition is destinated also to the National Federations.

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Julien,
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https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/FF ... S/?nytYwjb

If you cause is clear and concise, and I felt it could really work, I would be very happy to help. As it is at the moment, you're basically telling the ITTF to fix all the rules without offering any viable solutions ... I don't believe this will work at all.


Which bit do you disagree with?

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Solutions proposed are there (but in french for the moment) : http://pdf.lu/1e6p/

ITTF can pretty much do what they want, but I think players+coachs+associations's leaders (etc..) can convince them to act.
And they are responsible for table tennis rules of game for the countries => national'rules of game come from ITTF
(I need more vocabulary).

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www.facebook.com/ITTF.change.the.rules.or.made.them.apply/
https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/FF ... S/?nytYwjb