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PostPosted: 09 Sep 2015, 06:55 
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RULES ARE GOOD and UMPIRES ARE BAD (the field officials far too forgiving to call up the dirty server). Yes.

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Your given Petition and suchlike crying in loud voice will NOT work. Never.

A better respect of the game's rules is what you need now above all. Umpires must do their job in most strict manner. Yes.

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(I need more vocabulary).


So does Haggisv....his English isn't that great either :P :lol:

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2. To get better support from the English speaking community, it would be highly beneficial to get...


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If your cause is clear and concise...


Sorry mate... i couldn't resist the joke.....and you know I never will :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Umpires must do their job in most strict manner. Yes.

I don't know about other countries, but in the USA we don't have umpires in 99% of all tournament matches.

So check this out: According to ITTF regulation 3.03.02.01: "An umpire and an assistant umpire shall be appointed for each match." Our national association constantly ignores this very clear regulation. So if this very fundamental rule is routinely broken, how are the one or two overworked officials managing the entire tournament going enforce serving rules, let alone do racket testing for every bat before every match per ITTF regulations?

The people running this sport in the ITTF haven't a clue about what table tennis even is for recreational players. And the national associations shouldn't be following the ITTF in lock-step the way they do. The politics of this whole sport are ridiculous.

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mynamenotbob wrote:
igorponger wrote:
Umpires must do their job in most strict manner. Yes.

I don't know about other countries, but in the USA we don't have umpires in 99% of all tournament matches.

So check this out: According to ITTF regulation 3.03.02.01: "An umpire and an assistant umpire shall be appointed for each match." Our national association constantly ignores this very clear regulation. So if this very fundamental rule is routinely broken, how are the one or two overworked officials managing the entire tournament going enforce serving rules, let alone do racket testing for every bat before every match per ITTF regulations?

The people running this sport in the ITTF haven't a clue about what table tennis even is for recreational players. And the national associations shouldn't be following the ITTF in lock-step the way they do. The politics of this whole sport are ridiculous.


Hi Mynamenotbob,

In FRANCE, there is three main kinds of competition : by teams (four players), individual (alone, four events by a year + finals), and Tournaments (organized by table tennis clubs).
We have the same problem for Tournaments than in USA : we don't have umpires in 99% of all tournament matches.

Our federation (and the others) should work to develop the interest of becoming umpires... :

- money for them,
- new modern clothes,
- publicity "to sale" the function

- ...

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Some interesting findings in the minutes of the Executive Committee (09/19/2015) concerning the bounce test:

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12.1 Bounce test project update
The Equipment Committee submitted a detailed report to the EC on the experimentation on bounce tests with ISR in Singapore. All work was coordinated with the proposer, the Japan TTA.
The report offered two options for decision: Option1 – program plan to continue the project; Option2 – to terminate the project.
However the conclusion of the project summary was to discontinue, because it will not serve its purpose to create an even playing field.
Athletes Commission is also on the opinion that the bounce test experiment should be terminated as it would not prevent cheating, but on contrary. VOC disappeared, so there is no more health reason, cheating by boosting has to be sanctioned, applying suspension, and not only for players but also for manufacturers.
Athletes Commission discussed that players would be ready to remove their rubbers but only after the player is out of the competition.
16-EC-09-2015
The Executive Committee decided to terminate the bounce test experimental project and at the same time asked the CEO to put on the EC task list to find a solution for fair and equal playing environment for athletes.
Japan TTA wishes to propose in future to revisit the issue.


As expected, it's a complete failure and it's being terminated.
Good riddance.


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So that leaves us with a few possibilities going forward:
- status quo: theoretically only manufacturers of rubber allowed to boost it, but players not; only enforceable if boosting causes rubber to not be flat or be too thick or to overhang the bat.
- legalise boosting for players; no problem with enforcement except for rubber not being flat or too thick or overhang the bat.
- outlaw all boosting:; how to enforce apart from rubber not being flat, too thick or overhanging the bat?

Any other options?

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I don't see any other option. So I guess it's gonna be the status quo for now.


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SEAL UP THE SPONGE.

First,
Just seal up the open side of sponge sheet , as a part of manufacturing cycle..
Thermal rolling on the sponge sheet will do perfectly well.

Second,
Print down coloured watermarks all over the open sponge side.

Players are liable to only use the sealed sponges with the watermarks. Umpire to control presence of the watermarks on the sponge.

This is going to prevent players from any postfactory treatment on the sponge, ONCE AND FOR ALL.

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PS// I have just subjected this idea to Japan's person in power, Mr. KIMURA
Yes, we ought to stop the cheaters, and we are sure to suceed.
SEAL UP THE SPONGE.


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I'm sorry Igor, I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying.

Are you suggesting that sponge sheet should be applied some marker on their sides ? Or are you talking about the bottom of the sponge, which is glued to the blade ?


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I think he means the bottom of the sponge.

I think it's just going to make things even more complicated and controversial.... and for what benefit?

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Igor right.

because currently there is no way to apply extra booster with seal / something in the way, like glue sheet, on, the seal can be a way to tell that the sponge virgin. :)

Just add a handle lid, to make the seal visible from outside when attached to blade. XD

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I think it's just going to make things even more complicated and controversial.... and for what benefit?

It's a perfect opportunity to ban all current sponged rubbers and force amateur players to buy new sealed equipment at even higher prices.

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A seal on the bottom of the sponge ?
What kind of seal ?
How do you add a seal without altering the playing characteristics of the rubber ?
How do you glue the rubber to the blade without damaging the seal ?

Looks like another absurd, inefficient and soon-to-be forgotten idea.


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Imho, one alternative possibility,

lecridupongiste wrote:

A seal on the bottom of the sponge ?
- yes

What kind of seal ?
- something like a strawberry jam seal. The material can be anything. Chopper shall love cotton.

How do you add a seal without altering the playing characteristics of the rubber ?
- the change can be a good thing. Slicker pips? Firmer Tenergy? Slower Tack Chop?

How do you glue the rubber to the blade without damaging the seal ?
- Glue the seal side to the blade. Dont open the seal.

Looks like another absurd, inefficient and soon-to-be forgotten idea.





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lecridupongiste wrote:
I'm sorry Igor, I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying.

Are you suggesting that sponge sheet should be applied some marker on their sides ? Or are you talking about the bottom of the sponge, which is glued to the blade ?


SPONGE SHEET WITH A THIN-LAYER PLASTIC COATING ---> NO BOOSTING POSSIBLE.

You can well see how my idea works, right now.

I strongly suggest you go and take up some "SELF-GLUING" rubbers with a tacky plastic layer fixed onto sponge's backside. Nowdays, good many of the pimpled rubbers would include the tacky film on sponge's backside.

The ultra-thin plastic film 0.001 mm (tacky or not) is a very good sealant material absolutely impervious to any oily compounds and organic solvents. Furthermore, this plastic film is impossible to remove from the sponge, almost undetachable anyhow.

You only have to imprint some coloured watermarks on the plastic film all over, for better control by umpires.

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