OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 27 Apr 2024, 04:41


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!


View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » Table Tennis HOTLINE: TT Officials, Professional Players/Coaches and Manufacturers » ITTF Watch

All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 2
  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
mynamenotbob
 Post subject: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2015, 11:05 
Offline
Modern Chiseler.
Modern Chiseler.
User avatar

Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 06:49
Posts: 11148
Location: USA
Has thanked: 575 times
Been thanked: 578 times
Blade: WRM Gokushu2
FH: S&T Secret Flow 1mm
BH: S&T Monkey ox
No ITTF approval, but it has USATT approval.

Image

Same as the ITTF version?

Image

_________________



The MNNB Blog has had some pretty amazing stuff lately. Just click this text to check it out. | My OOAK Interview
Table Tennis Video Links: itTV | laola1.tv | ttbl | fftt | Challenger Series | mnnb-tv

My whole set-up costs less than a sheet of Butterfly Dignics
Top
 Profile  
 


haggisv
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:19 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 33353
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 2760 times
Been thanked: 1550 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dr N Troublemaker OX
Is it seamed or seamless?

It would make sense that they are the same... or at least made by the same machines...the quality requirements may be more strict with the ITTF approved ones though...

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide
Top
 Profile  
 
mynamenotbob
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2015, 14:40 
Offline
Modern Chiseler.
Modern Chiseler.
User avatar

Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 06:49
Posts: 11148
Location: USA
Has thanked: 575 times
Been thanked: 578 times
Blade: WRM Gokushu2
FH: S&T Secret Flow 1mm
BH: S&T Monkey ox
GAMBLER SEAMLESS PLASTIC POLY BALL - PACK OF 6

This new Poly Plastic ball is the first plastic ball to be officially approved for National Sanctioned USA events. Sold in packs of 6 - UNDER $1 PER BALL! Poly balls are made in WHITE only.

USATT SANCTIONED TOURNAMENT APPROVED
LASTS 4 TIMES LONGER
30% INCREASE IN ROUNDNESS
GAMBLER GUARANTEE: BETTER ROUNDNESS
GAMBLER GUARANTEE: LASTS 4X LONGER THAN MOST OTHER "PREMIUM" BRANDS
GAMBLER GUARANTEE: WORLD’S BEST BALL OR YOUR MONEY BACK!*
*Return used and unused portion of product for a full refund within 30 days of purchase. Return limit 6 balls (one package), per household.

_________________



The MNNB Blog has had some pretty amazing stuff lately. Just click this text to check it out. | My OOAK Interview
Table Tennis Video Links: itTV | laola1.tv | ttbl | fftt | Challenger Series | mnnb-tv

My whole set-up costs less than a sheet of Butterfly Dignics
Top
 Profile  
 
haggisv
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2015, 18:02 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 33353
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 2760 times
Been thanked: 1550 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dr N Troublemaker OX
I suspect it's an XSF ball, perhaps made a little heavier & therefore strong and more durable. It will be interesting to hear from anyone that's tried them...

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2015, 13:30 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10688
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1385 times
If it is seamless, it's a XSF. Why another type? It's a matter of dividing up the market in order to sell more balls. There needn't be any difference at all - they can sell these cheaper than the XSF/Kingnik/Yinhe/Gambler-ITTF balls which are ITTF approved because they won't eat into the sales of the more expensive balls. People who wouldn't buy the ITTF-approved balls due to the price will buy these, the people who think the ITTF-approved balls are better (whether that's really the case or not) and those who need ITTF-approved balls for official use outside the US (the US is a comparatively small market anyway) will continue to buy the ITTF-approved balls.

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
igorponger
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ballome
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2015, 17:52 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 10 Jun 2007, 09:24
Posts: 1362
Location: Universe
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 103 times
http://www.zeropong.com/index.php?main_ ... x&cPath=44

Some AliExpress vendors still carry celluloid 0.20 $ per one.
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2015, 13:11 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10688
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1385 times
Yup. The USATT balls are seamless. Don't see the ITTF balls on that website.

Which celluloid balls are available for 20 cents? My favorite Double Fish 1 stars were 25 cents, but suddenly went up to 75 cents! That's when I decided to order the celluloid Double Circle balls from Minkow. Got the last of them, he he he... There are a lot of garbage balls all over the place, especially ebay. YMMV.

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
haggisv
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2015, 14:00 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 33353
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 2760 times
Been thanked: 1550 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dr N Troublemaker OX
Q&A from the Zeropong Facebook page:
Quote:
Hello everyone,

We have had LOADS of questions regarding the new Gambler Poly Table Tennis Balls, and I think it best to address it here and answer all the questions I have had.

Q. Are these seamless?
A. Yes (one piece made by a centrifuge method).

Q. Are these balls better than a plastic ball with a seam?
A. There currently is NO plastic ball made with a seam that can compete with the Gambler Poly Table Tennis Ball.

Q. How do you compare this ball to the Celluloid 40mm?
A. The Gambler Poly Ball is significantly more durable than its celluloid cousins, about the same speed and bounce, and it also carries spin quite well - as well or nearly as well as a celluloid ball.

Q. How do you compare the Gambler Seamless Poly Ball to other seamless poly balls?
A. By our specifications this ball is put to the highest standard that centrifuge technology is currently capable of. In addition, we use an extra 3 step selection process to eliminate bad eggs from making it into the package. You will not find a better seamless ball.

Q. Why is the ball so cheap?
A. If you feel paying more for the BEST will make it even BETTER let me know! I will set up a fund for my daughter's college expenses you can donate to.

Q. Why is it USATT Tournament approved?
A. We do have an ITTF approved seamed poly ball, but to be honest seamed poly balls are a waste of money. We scrapped the project and I refused to put my name on a seamed poly ball, in my opinion they are garbage and not something I wanted my brand associated with. They will fall off the ITTF list next year. In order to fill my customers needs we approached the USATT, and we were able obtain affidavits and testing from our manufacturer certifying the Gambler Poly Table Tennis Balls are made to meet or exceed ITTF standards.

Q. Can I use the Gambler Seamless Poly Ball for my table tennis tournament?
A. Any USATT sanctioned event can be sponsored with Gambler Seamless Poly balls. In fact by doing so you are supporting a USA company that directly supports the USATT!


It sounds very good, although it sounds a little hard to believe that they're at least as good as everyone else's, more durable than the Celluloid from Gambler, yet at a considerably cheaper price compared to the ITTF approved plastic balls. ITTF approval does not cost that much, and would reduce to almost nothing if you sell high volumes (like the main manufacturers do). I think that the ones bought from XSF are automatically ITTF approved anyway, as XSF themselves obtained the approval.
it will be interesting to hear reviews of these balls, and hopefully it will encourage other manufacturers to reduce their prices as well.

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2015, 18:41 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10688
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1385 times
The differences in pricing are probably due to differences in profit margins and/or the supplier chain. I knew someone who was importing toys from China into the US - apparently the ex-factory price was 1/8th the final retail price! This means 7/8 of the price went into paying profit margins for middlemen and for shipping. So if you could figure out how to cut down the number of middlemen, figure out how to ship it cheaper, and especially if you were willing to accept a lower profit margin, you could seriously undercut someone else selling the same thing, even if he could get a marginally better price from a different manufacturer.

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
igorponger
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2015, 19:53 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 10 Jun 2007, 09:24
Posts: 1362
Location: Universe
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 103 times
iskandar taib wrote:
Yup. The USATT balls are seamless. Don't see the ITTF balls on that website.

Which celluloid balls are available for 20 cents? My favorite Double Fish 1 stars were 25 cents, but suddenly went up to 75 cents! That's when I decided to order the celluloid Double Circle balls from Minkow. Got the last of them, he he he... There are a lot of garbage balls all over the place, especially ebay. YMMV.

Iskandar


Take a search carefully all over Ali market. 20 cent balls are there in plenty.
We mostly employ those for the multi ball drills.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shi ... 99919.html

Yours respectfully.
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2015, 01:31 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10688
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1385 times
There's even cheaper ones than those, but are they even worth buying? The only thing they have going for them is they're celluloid, is that enough? The Double Fish One Stars were quality balls, I use them all the time, not just for practice. As I said, there's lots of garbage balls out there.

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
haggisv
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2015, 11:19 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 33353
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 2760 times
Been thanked: 1550 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dr N Troublemaker OX
Yes there is plenty of rubbish balls around... and even if you get some good ones, there's no guarantee the next lot will be the same... quality control is key here... and you're not likely to get this from the cheapest balls.
Back on topic, I would expect the Gambler balls to be quite decent though, since Tom from Zeropong (owner of the Gambler brand) has a good reputation. :up:

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide
Top
 Profile  
 
igorponger
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2015, 17:16 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 10 Jun 2007, 09:24
Posts: 1362
Location: Universe
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 103 times
CHINA SUMMER SALES.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/30pcs-Lo ... 13504.html

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/30-Pcs-l ... 10216.html

Too lovish offer to miss. Our local shopkeepers would charge 1.50 $ for the BTF cell ball.
Be quick, china summer sales is near off.
Top
 Profile  
 
RebornTTEvnglist
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2015, 18:13 
Offline
Count Darkula
Count Darkula
User avatar

Joined: 01 Dec 2007, 15:07
Posts: 17502
Location: Dark side of Australia!!
Has thanked: 422 times
Been thanked: 292 times
Blade: Bty Gergely T5000
FH: TSP Regalis Blue Max
BH: Tibhar Grass Dtecs
Maybe it's one step to making the IITTF irrelevent :lol: (oh please :devil: )

_________________
I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! :twisted: Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
Aussie Table Tennis Shop / Aussie Table Tennis Facebook Page / Equipment Review Index / Read my Reb Report Blog: click here.
Top
 Profile  
 
dunc
 Post subject: Re: Gambler poly ball
PostPosted: 26 Jun 2015, 01:12 
Offline
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
A.D.D.I.C.T.T.
User avatar

Joined: 09 Nov 2012, 23:15
Posts: 1937
Location: Newcastle, UK
Has thanked: 193 times
Been thanked: 191 times
Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita ZC
FH: BTY Dignics 64 (2.1mm)
BH: Victas P1V (1.5mm)
Is it some kind of licensing issue?

I.e. ITTF charge $10,000 for a licence to give a ball "ITTF Approved" status... and because Gambler haven't gone down that route for this seamless ball, they can cut the price because of lower overheads?

_________________
My blog: "Learning to play: as a modern defender": http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=22254
My YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtazeX ... oICGS9bqNg
Join the OOAK Discord!: https://discord.gg/Yw2hYUdz3g

[Other gear I've used]
Blades: Butterfly Defence 3, Butterfly Defence Pro, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC, Butterfly Innershield, DHS Power G7, Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon
SPs: Friendship 802 (1.5), TSP Spectol (1.3, 1.8, 2.1), TSP Spectol Speed (1.3), TSP Super Spinpips Chop Sponge 2 (0.5, 1.3)
LPs: Butterfly Feint Long II (1), Butterfly Feint Long III (0.5, 1.3), Tibhar Grass D.TecS (OX), TSP Curl P1-R (0.5, 1, 1.3), TSP Curl P4 (1.3)
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 2
  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next



Board index » Table Tennis HOTLINE: TT Officials, Professional Players/Coaches and Manufacturers » ITTF Watch

All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 144 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2018 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group