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As people keep pointing out, flat earthers have real problems with frames of reference. Because they think the Earth is flat, therefore the Universe must be flat, too, and there's an UP and a DOWN to the Universe. This is bizarre, so the above statement is bizarre.



Note that Mac still hasn't told us why the Sun appears over the horizon in the East each morning, travels across the sky in a straight line and then sinks below the horizon in West at sunset. Photos of the sun sinking below the horizon are everywhere, he can observe this HIMSELF, EVERY DAY. EVERY DAY means it's a DAILY observation. And he STILL believes the Earth isn't a spinning ball even if the observations say otherwise. Maybe he'd like to tell us about some other of these "daily observations" that shows that the Earth is flat.



Translation: Watch more YouTube videos. They're all the proof you need... (Talk about relying on TRUST... )

Iskandar

Kids as well as indoctrinated adults love their balls,don't they?

Actually,otherwise perfectly intelligent adults love their balls more or so it seems!

They believe that water can magically bend or contour to the surface of a ball - when it can never be replicated.

It's got a lot to do with the power of indoctrination. Tell a lie often enough and the masses will believe.

Remember in the hours and days after 911 when their media flashed images of that bogey man on our screens. Every soul bar a few thought he was guilty - trial by media.

Same thing happening with their theory of a it being a ball.

Never mind - just carry on getting your source of reality from the corporate owned and controlled mainstream media. They don't have an agenda to push now do they?

Avoiding my question again, Mac? Why does the sun disappear behind the horizon at sunset? Why does it travel across the sky in a straight line? Stop being so evasive.. The sun doesn't lie, the sun isn't controlled by corporate interests..

Iskandar

Hey, mac, it's not that hard, you know. There's this little thing called gravity. It's a function of mass and works regardless of the size or shape of an object. It's not only real but it's observable, measurable and perfectly understandable. And it explains all sorts of interesting things.

Tell us all, how do flat earthers explain that phenomenon observed all over the globe - tides? It's simple really: gravity. The moon in its movement around the earth exerts a gravitational pull which causes the ebb and flow of tides. Of course, if you don't believe in gravity it gets a little difficult, doesn't it? One of the surprising things about gravity is that all sorts of strange things are attracted to one another; for example, any quantity of water (even a large body like an ocean) is drawn towards objects of much, much greater mass such as the earth. Hence, regardless of where it is on the globe, water is drawn towards the centre of the earth. Even if the water is "upside down"! And you too can observe this phenomenon right in the safety and privacy of your own home!

Now why don't you have a go at explaining some simple, observable phenomena we've asked you about?

Why does the sun disappear behind the horizon at sunset?
Why does it travel across the sky in a straight line?
How come it's dark here but light where you are?
Why does it disappear at all?
Why does a 12" ruler bent by .009" look flat?
If the earth is flat, why do ships' hulls disappear before their superstructure?

There you have six simple questions which we keep asking you to answer, but you've never, ever set out a logical response to even one of them. Come on, mac. It's your turn now. Have a go.

The only thing mac has done is deprive himself of ever knowing the beauty of the earth, solar system, galaxy or the universe.


I have a VLT, (very large telescope) and have observed much of the galaxy and other galaxies.
I also have watched ships slowly disappear over the horizon with the telescope. On high power, I can bring an object 12 miles away up to 100 feet, crystal clear.


Mac will never do this because it would destroy his flat earth.


I think his disdain for higher education tells us a lot. I suspect "higher education" means anything over second grade.

Hmmm... one of you is wrong. I wonder which one?

Mac is all talk and no action.
You don't need a large telescope to see this, binoculars will do.
Borrow a pair Mac.

Mac is also proving his flat earth false to everyone on the forum by his lack of answers to questions.

One has a telescope and has actually used it, the other is repeating something he heard on YouTube. As they say, a no-brainer.

Iskandar

You can buy binoculars for $30 or so, or, you could borrow a pair.
But he wont do it because he would have a heart attack when he saw the truth.

Talk, talk, and more talk. No action!

Flat earth theory can be a fun topic as a thought exercise.

So, the standard model I've seen of the theory is that the earth is a flat body surrounded by an ice wall(Antartica). The sun and the moon are two floating bodies that rotate around a center point(north pole), shining light on parts of the earth like spotlights. Objects disappear with distance regardless of curvature, and bottoms disappearing first is explained by light reflection off of the ground/water(mirage effect).

I think the challenge with the topic is that it can be easy to come up with straight to the point reasons for isolated questions, while the math/science explanations require quite a background to properly explain - our systems of math are very specific to cover a lot of funny edge cases, which is why we have natural vs. real numbers and how euclidean geometry has weird intercations in 3D space.

Keep in mind that there are actually a decent amount of math postgrads that troll as flat earthers to really frustrate the discussion. As well, the whole 'conspiracy' is usually an answer to an instance when outside evidence is being used - it defeats the point of a thought experiment to say "An outside source took this picture/video", because then we're implicitly trusting a source rather than using pure reason. There is always *some* reasonable doubt to any outside sources, the conspiracy claim is just a parody level example of that.

That being said, there are people that truly buy in to it and can't/won't properly argue for it, and that's unfortunate.

Iirc there's a flat earth society forum and you can occasionally see posters break sides to explain the other side when someone gets a little off course in an explanation.

Anywho, we can safely put away the flat earth theory because we should all be able to agree that the hypercube is where it's at.

I encourage every ball earther to take a visit to the sea or ocean.

Put that straight edge across the horizon and the water will never drop below the line of the straight edge,no matter how far you look to the left or right.

I have done the experiment. I therefore can only conclude we have been lied to.

Mac, you either don't read the previous replies or don't understand how small .009 inch is. You cannot see the error in the line. It is there but too small for your eyes.

At 6 miles its 24 feet. That is not a small drop......

Further,were there an island 24 feet in elevation 6 miles away,on a clear day you would see it.