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Tonight at the club, I was grooving in some BH chopping. I noticed that taking the ball later and lower helped me get it lower over the net.

Is this how most of you guys chop? Is there an advantage to taking it earlier/higher?

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Tonight at the club, I was grooving in some BH chopping. I noticed that taking the ball later and lower helped me get it lower over the net.

Is this how most of you guys chop? Is there an advantage to taking it earlier/higher?


I also tend to take it quite late. Knee height. Chopping earlier bears more risk of error than taking it later.

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But chopping early and downwards is very efficient against slow and high loops, it puts more preassure to your opponent. Gionis is good at this :) But in normal game me too prefer knee height.

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But chopping early and downwards is very efficient against slow and high loops, it puts more preassure to your opponent. Gionis is good at this :) But in normal game me too prefer knee height.


What do you mean with early? before or after the ball's heighest point?

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Wow, chopping downwards even? Doesn't the ball bounce higher?

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But chopping early and downwards is very efficient against slow and high loops, it puts more preassure to your opponent. Gionis is good at this :) But in normal game me too prefer knee height.


What do you mean with early? before or after the ball's heighest point?


As soon as possible, but rarely before highest point.

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As soon as possible, but rarely before highest point.


Isn't it too risky to play that shot against slow, high loops (I assume they are loaded with spin)?


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I'd think it would be VERY hard to keep it from popping up, but hey, if you pulled it off, it would put a lot of pressure on the opponent. Lots of spin, and it gives your opponent less time to react.

I don't know if I could pull that off regularly though :lol:

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As soon as possible, but rarely before highest point.


Isn't it too risky to play that shot against slow, high loops (I assume they are loaded with spin)?


Many defenders like Seo Hyo Won often do it with pimple, with inverted i think it's very hard and gives a fast float. When i face a really high loop on bh and i'm too close, i actually prefer to take it higher and push it in straight line on the table. This results in a fast chop with very good spin and i actually think it's even easier to do than running back when a high ball comes. On fh side with high spin loops i usually prefer to twiddle with pimples, so it's the same as forehand. If i find myself to face that kind of ball with inverted, i usually try to counterloop it or to wait it at lowest point possible.

During usual play, i tend to chop at medium height, near the hip, not too low (near knee like more classical defenders) nor too high (almost at chest height)

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Knee is too late and you risk to play high balls if you cannot control the spin. Of course it feels safer but it ends up in balls that can be smashed easily by your opponent.

Many defender take the ball at the height of their hips (doesn't matter of forehand or backhand chopping). This is almost at the height of the table which gives them the possibility to have good control and play dangerous chops. Above (chest or even shoulder) is difficult to control, below the ball tends to become higher.

The bounce of the ball and arc always depends on the blade and the movement. It is an individual question.

By the way: Joo uses a lot of chopping on his FH and can vary the spin on the ball very good with his FH chops ^^

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I noticed that joo takes the ball beneath the chest and near the hip; I try to take the ball at that height, still working on it, as I feel like I am taking the ball WAAAY too high; the fact that im using a cheap double inverted recreational paddle is nice because although it's inverted, the rubber is in a lower dimension of spin sensitivity compared to something like tenergy 05, which is quite forgiving. I wonder what the transition to lp's will be like.

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Actually, the rubber you use should also taken into account.

Choice 1. Rubber that insensitive to incoming spin is easier for stomach to knee chopping, perpendicular to the ball. It shall retain most of incoming spin. LP, Tackiness Chop and any bottom-up-py rubber goes to this group. High return ball can actually be a good thing, cause, easier to drive, but harder to loop, creating net or off-shot trap :devil:

Choice 2. On the other hand, spinny rubber like H3 is easier for early chopping, with more parallel blade to incoming ball, and, yes, so early, before the maximum ball height, returning sharp heavy back spun ball, and lethal to unexpecting opponent. :P

This also why I really love Tackiness Chop 2. For slow ball, it act like choice 2, but when the opponent gave me fast ball, it act more like choice 1, giving vast range of return ball flight path for doing evil. :devil:


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