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It's bogeyhunter not boggys.

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LOL, thats why I call you BH. Its easier not to mistype it! We knew who he mean though.

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Sorry Bogeyhunter,

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BH I watched your first vid but haven't got your second downloaded yet. All I can say is I am so glad you muck a few up in it. It makes me feel not so bad that if you can muck a few up, then my inconsistency is to be expected for quite a few hundred thousand practice serves yet, LOL. But apart from this point its a mean looking serve with heaps more deception than I can ever get. Mind you, you are known for you're "smoke", where I am a "non-smoker" LOL.

Hookshot, still waiting for those tips please mate.

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S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
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I'll give you some homework to do : watch closely......you gonna see that some balls roll back to the net and some roll to the side(especially, the last one).

See what happens if you read it wrong?

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What I didn't realise on the second vid (which I now watched) is that you were doing that with LP. I haven't used Feint Long 3, but I'm guessing its not THAT grippy LOL. I can get the ball to spin back to the net like that with a tacky or grippy inverted. And my consistency is increasing. I reckon I get the ball to back up to the net from anywhere from a few inches over the net off first bounce (rare), to the fifth bounce that is near the endline. I do this now with about 50% of balls I serve or sometimes better. But still not confident enough to serve in comp that way as it can be just too many points to give away.

The trouble is also it looks good when you serve it in practice against no-one, but when you do it with a partner and they are not willing to stand and receive 50 of them for you to find one that really gets them, they make you lose more confidence because they can angle them away too easily on you.

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S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
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You mean watching your video, Bogeyhunter? I'll do the homework...

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BH I did more than the homework LOL. I gave a heavy Backspin with LP's. I found I could do it fairly well with 979 the best, as its reasonably grippy. I actually found it easier to get consistent with it than inverted surprisingly. I think this is due to the fact that inverted gets almost too much backspin and makes the throw off the rubber unpredictable, with big changes occurring from minor differences in the blade angle and contact point on the rubber or ball. Off the 979 its very consistent. I think you have given me the key to be able to get good enough with this to use it in comp. I don't mind too much if I serve the odd serve too high and it gets killed. Normal serves can have this happen. What I don't like is seeing serve after serve not make the net and spin back at you. I think the pips solves a lot of this, but not all - as we even see in your vid. Now I have to work out how to vary it LOL. I'll keep watching your vids. When I'm ready I will post a vid of where I've got to. BH did you see my vid of the serve I backed over the net?

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S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
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The main factor which affects spin is the direction that the bat is travelling and the angle of the bat at the point of contact. As well as this, the follow-through is very important. Just after you've hit the ball in a service you can move the bat to many places to do different things, although of course you won't get much spin if you haven't already angled your bat.

For example, if you hit the ball with the bat facing straight at the ceiling you will get much more spin than if it is at a 45 degree angle.

Practice is the only solution here really. Just practice and mess around with different things and see what factors affect serves the most and you'll soon have it.

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If that's the case Fishy, we should see you playing at the world championships in about 3 years then shall we? LOL.

I love the idealism of the young, and at your age you can learn like a sponge with the sky the limit. I think if I had the resources available to me when I was your age (ie. internet and vids of great players etc.) I would have learnt a lot more skill in TT. Its harder now, not impossible, just harder.

Don't drop your enthusiasm and prowess at simplifying things though mate, its refreshing.

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I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
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You can definitely get the ball to roll on yr bat, but the distance of the 'roll' is often somewhat exaggerated. There is a confusion between bat speed and timing, many players think that a faster bat speed on contact will inevitably result in greater spin, but this is not always the case, you have to look at 'dwell time' you can actually get more spin on a serve if you are competent at getting more dwell time on contact with the ball. This enables you to get considerable spin with a seemingly slow bat movement. It only EVER comes with many hours practice, but it is true, you can get the ball to 'roll down yr bat' Just as an example of this, some players (usually talented) can catch the ball when you throw it to them, with their bat, and it does not bounce (try it, its very hard to do) Its the same thing as a dwell serve in reverse.

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That's a great observation, and I fully agree with that!

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Sorry to 'harp on' but why do better players get more spin on their serves? the answer is above

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Totally agree with that Dark. It takes understanding of the physics of the bat and ball movement and the friction level between them (if not explicit understanding then a tacit or sub-conscious one). To catch the ball with a bat without it bouncing is the same principle as catching a cricket ball in your hands when it has power on it, without hurting your hands. The bat has to be moving away from the ball at a pace that takes the shock out of the impact. A bit like merging on a freeway, where if you get up to freeway speed on the on-ramp then you can slot into a fairly small gap with no problem. If you try to do it when you're doing 50km less than the traffic...bang!! Bounce occurs (well it would if cars were made of rubber), LOL.

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I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
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