OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
Live Table Tennis Videos Table Tennis News Live OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 28 Mar 2017, 07:47


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: 23 Feb 2013, 20:06 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31045
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1335 times
Been thanked: 813 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
I've been waching a few matches from Dimitrij Ovtcharov, and I find his backhand serve simple but very effective.

I've been trying this serve myself, and it seems really easy to vary the spin as well as the pace, and it's winning me quite a few points!
He stands side-on to the table, and then swings the bat towards the table and brushes the side of the ball. Try it and see if it works for you!

PS He's playing right now on table 2, see our Live Video page. ;)

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Table Tennis Reviews / Articles | Table Guide | Robot Guide | Re-Impact Blades
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide | Novel way to glue OX pips


Top
 Profile  
 


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!

PostPosted: 23 Feb 2013, 22:16 
Offline
Iron Pips
Iron Pips
User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 22:07
Posts: 3282
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Has thanked: 466 times
Been thanked: 236 times
Blade: DMS Revolution
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: DMS MegaBlock 1.5
haggisv wrote:
I've been waching a few matches from Dimitrij Ovtcharov, and I find his backhand serve simple but very effective.

I've been trying this serve myself, and it seems really easy to vary the spin as well as the pace, and it's winning me quite a few points!
He stands side-on to the table, and then swings the bat towards the table and brushes the side of the ball. Try it and see if it works for you!

PS He's playing right now on table 2, see our Live Video page. ;)

I love that serve and I use my own version of it a lot. It is difficult for your opponent to return short and you will in most cases get a return that you can attack. Also look at Wang Yang. Like Dima I also serve from FH corner sometimes. That is very good against some opponents (especially lp players :) ). But you need to quickly move toward base position after the serve so that you can attack with FH.
With this serve you can also easily place the ball wherever you want. Aiming towards opponents FH with a serve that is long enough to attack but short enough so that opponent hesitates is very effective if you want to chop back the return or counter attack it.
I mostly use heavy back spin but sometimes a little top spin. I often fake top spin to make it look like a top spin serve but then a snap my wrist a little at ball contact, to get back spin.

_________________
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack | Serving techniques and strategy section


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 23 Feb 2013, 22:19 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31045
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1335 times
Been thanked: 813 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
Thanks for the tips Def-attack! :up: I've only just discovered how well this serve suits my game, and I'll try some of your variations. :up:

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Table Tennis Reviews / Articles | Table Guide | Robot Guide | Re-Impact Blades
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide | Novel way to glue OX pips


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 24 Feb 2013, 07:08 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 21 Mar 2007, 15:49
Posts: 1566
Location: USofA
Has thanked: 17 times
Been thanked: 14 times
haggisv wrote:
Thanks for the tips Def-attack! :up: I've only just discovered how well this serve suits my game, and I'll try some of your variations. :up:


How about some training type videos for the serve?
tOD


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 Oct 2013, 22:52 
Offline
Iron Pips
Iron Pips
User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 22:07
Posts: 3282
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Has thanked: 466 times
Been thanked: 236 times
Blade: DMS Revolution
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: DMS MegaBlock 1.5
theOldDuffer wrote:
haggisv wrote:
Thanks for the tips Def-attack! :up: I've only just discovered how well this serve suits my game, and I'll try some of your variations. :up:


How about some training type videos for the serve?
tOD


How about this:

_________________
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack | Serving techniques and strategy section


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2013, 00:26 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 03 Apr 2013, 12:39
Posts: 248
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 9 times
I was really impressed with this serve after watching him play for the first time. So I ofcourse I tried it. I find it is quite easy to get a lot of spin with this serve. I often surpise myself when an opponent will hit the return wide when I didn't even think I had that much spin on it. Ofcourse though when I try to get the extreme elbow position that he does and I try and ramp up the spin I lose all my control and usually mis hit the ball.

I really do find the variation in using this great since the majority of my BH serves are with my pips. And being able to throw in the heavy underspin/side spin serve can throw people off. I do the opposite variation of Def-Attack where as soon as they realize that I serve the heavy underspin, I fake the underspin and the push through/pull up on the back of the ball to get the topspin variation when it looks like and they are expecting underspin.

I think this serve is called the reverse pendulum? becuase I do the similar variations on the FH side using normal pendulum serve.

_________________
VKM
Tenergy 05 2.1
Feint Long III .5


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2013, 04:02 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2010, 13:39
Posts: 1363
Location: Canada
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 61 times
t h c said:

Quote:
Ofcourse though when I try to get the extreme elbow position


Thanks for pointing that out! I will try yo get that type of elbow position to generate more spin!

_________________
My paddle has a weird shape, looks like the one in my avatar image.

Blade: KTL Instinct+

Rubbers: BH Friendship 802-1 Short Pips 1.0mm
FH Gambler Reflectoid 1.5mm inverted


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2013, 07:49 
Offline
Dark Knight
Dark Knight
User avatar

Joined: 13 Dec 2006, 12:34
Posts: 31045
Location: Adelaide, AU
Has thanked: 1335 times
Been thanked: 813 times
Blade: Trinity Carbon
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Dornenglanz OX
Thanks Def-attack! :up: That reminded me I was going to practice that serve in the off-season. :( :o :lol:

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Table Tennis Reviews / Articles | Table Guide | Robot Guide | Re-Impact Blades
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide | Novel way to glue OX pips


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2013, 08:16 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 06 Nov 2009, 04:40
Posts: 1342
Location: Texas, USA
Has thanked: 123 times
Been thanked: 44 times
Bending that low is not easy on this old man's knees :@


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2013, 12:14 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 31 Jul 2007, 01:50
Posts: 686
Location: Canberra ACT Australia
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 4 times
I used to do this serve too...haven't tried it in a while (more because I've got so many serves and often things just drop out because I forget to use them) but should start again.

It always impressed me how well it worked for Dimi.
Even against world-class opponents, it was amazing how often he got a return he could immediately attack strongly.

_________________
Blade: TSP Black Balsa 7.0 flared; FH Rubber - Donic Acuda S3 max sponge; BH Rubber - Speed Spectol 1.8mm


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Oct 2013, 15:45 
Offline
Iron Pips
Iron Pips
User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 22:07
Posts: 3282
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Has thanked: 466 times
Been thanked: 236 times
Blade: DMS Revolution
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: DMS MegaBlock 1.5
glennholder wrote:
t h c said:

Quote:
Ofcourse though when I try to get the extreme elbow position


Thanks for pointing that out! I will try yo get that type of elbow position to generate more spin!

I think the main advantage of this serve is that you c an vary the spin witohut it being very obvious for the opponent. Elbow position is not the key issue for generating spin, but for disguising spin. If bat moves upwards at contact you can get a corn screw serve that is difficult to read. If you ad a little forward motion with the bat, towards the net, you will have more sidespin and perhaps back spin, depending on bat angle.
I think adding extra spin is easier if you stand lika Dima with face towards the umipire, then you can twist the upper body and even change direction of serve in the last moment. A long and fast serve like this with heavy backspin and sidespin towards bh corner is very effective, especially if you have made seceral to the fh side previously. Some opponent stand too close to the table when returning, use that!

_________________
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack | Serving techniques and strategy section


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Oct 2013, 05:29 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 03 Apr 2013, 12:39
Posts: 248
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 9 times
Def-attack wrote:
Elbow position is not the key issue for generating spin, but for disguising spin.


After seeing this thread yesterday and looking at the slowmo video, I looked more closely at his elbow positioning and technique and decided to try it out a lot more during my last nights session. You are right, I found it was exactly for the disguising the serve. I was getting even better success than usual espescially when twidding the serves back and forth. If I put some more practice into using this serve I could seeing it become a much bigger part of my game.

_________________
VKM
Tenergy 05 2.1
Feint Long III .5


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Oct 2013, 06:44 
Offline
Iron Pips
Iron Pips
User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2010, 22:07
Posts: 3282
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Has thanked: 466 times
Been thanked: 236 times
Blade: DMS Revolution
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: DMS MegaBlock 1.5
townhousecrackers wrote:
Def-attack wrote:
Elbow position is not the key issue for generating spin, but for disguising spin.


After seeing this thread yesterday and looking at the slowmo video, I looked more closely at his elbow positioning and technique and decided to try it out a lot more during my last nights session. You are right, I found it was exactly for the disguising the serve. I was getting even better success than usual espescially when twidding the serves back and forth. If I put some more practice into using this serve I could seeing it become a much bigger part of my game.



Keep practicing! :up: :up: :up:

_________________
My blog: Def-attack's attempts to find balance between defence/attack | Serving techniques and strategy section


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 




All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2012 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




Don't forget to 'LIKE' our forum on Facebook if you enjoy the content: