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Five mins serving on the table, again focussing on pure backspin. Having the net in the way makes a big difference, and I started worrying about height and distance more than spin. Managed a few which stopped or stopped and went sideways but not which went backwards.


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Are you using the magic pattern?

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Backwards is overrated. Isn't there a ttedge video about short fast serves?

My two cents is worry about generating a lot of spin first. Use the pattern, and take care of height and length later.

If winning points is the goal and not abstract serve geometry, it's worth noting that up to USATT 1800 level one of the most unreturnable serves is heavy backspin to the bh that bounces 9-10 inches high. People want to go hard at it because it's high, and they can't.


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I'm on my own today so it's ball drop bhs and flicks, and about 600 serves ( 4 kinson bags worth). All sorts first half then the rest reverse side-under (attempted anyway.)


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Five minutes on the table while waiting for my coach. I changed my grip slightly, from having my index finger extended to the whole blade sandwiched between my thumb and fist. I think it was a positive step.

Best results yet in terms of spin generation. Definitely could feel when I was brushing the ball nicely. Got a good few balls to actually come back towards the net.

Did a few mins later with my coach watching and he said it's an improvement. Better control of the wrist.

I planned to video today but I discovered too late that the battery needed to be charged.


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Are you using the magic pattern?


I don't know what the magic pattern is, so obviously not!

I'll watch the video now!


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Backwards is overrated. Isn't there a ttedge video about short fast serves?

My two cents is worry about generating a lot of spin first. Use the pattern, and take care of height and length later.

If winning points is the goal and not abstract serve geometry, it's worth noting that up to USATT 1800 level one of the most unreturnable serves is heavy backspin to the bh that bounces 9-10 inches high. People want to go hard at it because it's high, and they can't.


Backwards is overrated if you are lobbing the ball. Backwards is underrated if you can do it on a low trajectory serve that ventures to the edge.

That's why I refer people to the magic pattern. Even getting it wrong tends to improve the spin on your serve.

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That's why I refer people to the magic pattern. Even getting it wrong tends to improve the spin on your serve.


I liked the video. Going to work on that today. Thanks!


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When practicing serves the tendency is to serve and then stand and watch the ball go off the end of the table before reaching straight down, picking up a ball and serving straightaway again.

Does anyone practice serving as they would do in a match ie slow it down, set your self, think about what, where to, how fast etc you're intending to serve, then serve and move straight into your ready position based on where and what type of return you'd expect back off that serve - maybe even shadow play your next shot before reaching for the next ball to serve?

Not including moving into your ready position as part of practicing serving can embed bad habits when you come to actually serve in a match ie you stand there watching your serve and fail to prepare for a return or as soon as the point is over you rush into serving your next serve without much thought for what you're doing.

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Debater wrote:
Does anyone practice serving as they would do in a match ie slow it down, set your self, think about what, where to, how fast etc you're intending to serve, then serve and move straight into your ready position based on where and what type of return you'd expect back off that serve - maybe even shadow play your next shot before reaching for the next ball to serve?


I sometimes play a solitaire serving game at the end of my practice. I keep score to 11, and mix serves like I would in a match. If the serve is good, spinny, low, short or however it is supposed to be I get a point, if not then I lose one. When I'm doing that I do the full recovery and between point routine just like a match. But I do most of my serve practice rapid-fire to get the reps in the time.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRNBCxOloDg

That's a massive improvement on the first video! Good net clearance heights and mostly more spin it would appear. I particularly like the variant that goes cross table.

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NextLevel wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRNBCxOloDg

That's a massive improvement on the first video! Good net clearance heights and mostly more spin it would appear. I particularly like the variant that goes cross table.

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Thanks. My serves in general have improved a lot but this particular one has fallen apart for a variety of reasons. What you told me and a minor swing snd grip change fixed most of it so I appreciate it. Also explained to me something that had been happening recently that I couldn't explain.

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My current backspin serve mechanics. Spin is getting heavier:



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My current backspin serve mechanics. Spin is getting heavier:




Nice serve Ringer! This is what I was getting at when I said backwards is overrated. Maybe I should have said backwards on the table is overrated.


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