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PostPosted: 09 Jun 2016, 20:10 
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iskandar taib wrote:
I don't recall there being QC problems with the move to the 40mm ball but I do recall a HUGE amount of stink about people "not liking" them. Most of this subsided after the balls had actually been in use for a while, but the level of acrimony online far exceeded anything I've seen with the plastic ball. I think the current complaints have far more to do with differences between the new balls and the old rather problems with roundness or (inconsistent) bounce. The one major problem encountered seems to be durability, and this seems to be a weakness of the current DHS and Double Fish seamed balls.

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One problem we never had when we switched from 38 to 40 was such large differences in the playing properties of one brand compared to another. The differences between seamless, good Nittaku, G40+ and Chinese seamed balls are very large. Occasionally a seamed ball gets into the bucket I use for training and I can tell without looking when one of them is in play now. That was not ever possible with celluloid balls (my training bucket of celluloids had all sorts, DHS, Nittaku, Btfly, etc). The bounce heights are substantially different. And durability is a big issue, it cannot be discounted.

My recollection is different in another way. At least where I play, people did not really mind the switch to 40 anywhere near as much as they object to the early seamed Chinese balls. But almost nobody uses celluloid balls at my club anymore, certainly none of the more serious players.

Now, going back much farther in time, when I was a kid, ITTF approved Halex balls, which were pretty much awful. But that was in the 70s.

Eventually the sport will converge onto something.

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Yeah, back in the day of the 38mm ball (or at least, in the 1980s) there were two brands of ball - Nittaku and TSP - that people liked. There were other balls, but they WERE quite different (and generally awful), Halex and Dunlop being two examples. I remember one Halex ball that had a couple bulges around the seam - apparently the two halves were glued together too shallow on one side. We were wondering why we were missing so much until we took a close look at the ball. I remember buying a dozen Peace balls once - these were made in Korea, and were different somehow. I liked the box they came in, and kept it long after the balls were gone - it slid open like a matchbox and had an egg-crate like interior, in the tray. My favorite were the yellow TSPs - those were very visible and bounced like a Nittaku. Maybe even a little harder. Don't think I ever saw a Chinese 3 star ball until after the 40mm switch, when DHS balls started appearing in the US.

When I was in school we often played with Champion balls (since Nittakus were terribly expensive, when you had to pay for them out of pocket money). These had a prominent seam - a REAL seam, if they were the Death Star it would be like that trench Luke Skywalker flew down..) but bounced about the same as a Nittaku. And yes, they'd all break after some hours of use.

The difference is - today is that there are a lot of "good" brands - DHS, Double Fish, Stiga, Tibhar, Donic, Nittaku, etc. which made their name with the 40mm celluloid balls (plus XSF and all the seamless balls, which are new)... and when they're different from each other people notice, while back in the day of the 38mm ball, there WERE balls that were different, but everyone shunned them as a matter of course (they weren't ever used in tournaments) so no one really noticed.

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haggisv wrote:
This is an interesting article from the ITTF website:
http://www.ittf.com/_front_Page/ittf_fu ... ition_ID=&

This implies the main seamless ball maker is Guangzhou Hefu Sport Equipment Company, not XSF.

It's very tricky to work out which company own the business and which ones just supply others...




Hmmm....If this article says Guangzhou Hefu produces it, then I guess it must be.

XSF could be their brand----Not every company uses same name for company and for its product...Of course, I guess it will be better publicity if these two names are the same.


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Actually.. this story was posted almost two years ago by sssandy (who works for the company that makes the balls):

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27014#p286676

Zhang Huilun (the inventor) is mentioned, so is Xu Shaofa (the person, former Chinese national team head coach). No details as to where the factory (and how many factories there were) was set up, and what the company was called, but Mr. Xu was definitely involved (and is probably part owner).

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Has anyone tried the S40+ balls yet and if so, how do they compare to the Yinhe regular 3 star 40+ balls? Are they actually better or is it just marketing.

I've ordered one box of them from China, so at some point in future I'll find out for myself :)


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Has anyone tried the S40+ balls yet and if so, how do they compare to the Yinhe regular 3 star 40+ balls? Are they actually better or is it just marketing.

I've ordered one box of them from China, so at some point in future I'll find out for myself :)


I am playing with them now. Don't think they (red stamp) are that different from the original Yinhe 3* (blue stamp), but I did not do detailed analysis/measurement.

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A few clubs here use them (first the old one, now the new ones), and they're quite happy... the durability is excellent, certainly compared to the seamed plastic balls.

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Some people in Houston are using the Yinhe seamless. They are good.

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I've been using Yinhe Red for a few weeks now. Better than the blue one for me and my friends at the club. All prefer the red one. Just slightly lighter than Nittaku Premium. Very durable as well.

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Today I had a tap with the Yinhe S40+ ball and I have to say it feels lighter than the older blue logo ball. Also it has some odd bounce? like a lower bounciness ? On one underspin serve the ball literally rolled flat on the table. There wasn't any dust or water on the surface and the table is a Donic ITTF competition certified table less than 1 year old.

So I am skeptical on the QC of these Yinhe Red packet 3-star plastic balls. Old Blue packets are very very brittle and feel a lot harder and very very weak.

I will keep practicing with this Red one and see how quickly I can get it to break.

Update: I will try to get the Yinhe Red and the older Blue weights and post here.


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rokphish2 wrote:
I've been using Yinhe Red for a few weeks now. Better than the blue one for me and my friends at the club. All prefer the red one. Just slightly lighter than Nittaku Premium. Very durable as well.


Did you actually weigh it or is your estimate of weight based on feel?

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