OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
Live Table Tennis Videos Table Tennis News Live OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 19 Aug 2017, 03:46


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 148 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: 26 Apr 2017, 23:05 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 15 Aug 2012, 22:24
Posts: 362
Location: Lincoln, NE (USA)
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 26 times
iskandar taib wrote:
There is a way to observe spin, if not to measure it. Use a marker pen and put four big, black 15mm dots on the ball, at the vertices of a tetrahedron (i.e. equally spaced around the ball). It's quite easy to observe the spin, and tell whether it's heavy or super-heavy. Try this with different balls and see if you can see the difference. You'd probably need something like one of those high speed Casio cameras to actually quantify the spin, but it'd be interesting to see if you can actually perceive a difference without the camera.

Iskandar


+1

I tried the dot thing, I still dots are harder to see as the ball is spinning, for that reason, I like larger colored sections.

Thus I do this.

_________________
Stiga Clipper Classic
FH - TSP Spectol Red 2.0
BH - Dawei 388D-a 1.5


Top
 Profile  
 


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!

PostPosted: 05 May 2017, 13:19 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 09 Oct 2008, 00:48
Posts: 2032
Location: Lafayette, California
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 72 times
Just an update after, perhaps, half a dozen sessions using the DHS D40+ ball at my local TT club: Zero broken balls, zero cracked balls! Easily the most durable TT ball I can recall using. The rough coating lasts an admirably long time but they do start to smooth out after 20h or so, which is entirely OK by me! Even my Nittaku-only friends have warmed up to the DHS D40+.

_________________
BBC Ghost, TSP Spinpips RED 1.9, 755 OX


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 05 May 2017, 17:27 
Offline
Blockhead
Blockhead
User avatar

Joined: 07 Jan 2009, 19:20
Posts: 2064
Location: UK
Has thanked: 68 times
Been thanked: 128 times
Blade: Xiom Offensive S
FH: Tibhar MXP max
BH: TSP Regalis max
nathanso wrote:
Just an update after, perhaps, half a dozen sessions using the DHS D40+ ball at my local TT club: Zero broken balls, zero cracked balls! Easily the most durable TT ball I can recall using. The rough coating lasts an admirably long time but they do start to smooth out after 20h or so, which is entirely OK by me! Even my Nittaku-only friends have warmed up to the DHS D40+.

I've just broken my first, they are near bullet-proof! But it can be done!

The more I play with these, the more I like them.

Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk

_________________
Back to double inverted Spring 2016


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 06 May 2017, 07:46 
Offline
Senior member
User avatar

Joined: 07 Sep 2016, 03:36
Posts: 196
Has thanked: 19 times
Been thanked: 27 times
Blade: Hurricane Long 3
FH: DHS Hurricane 8
BH: Tibhar MX-P
I broke one by stepping on it :oops: Actually, only dented it, and it came out in hot water. Unfortunately, I forgot and left in boiling water, and it is now shaped like a curling stone. Tremendous movement on a serve though.

_________________
Other setups:
DHS Fang Bo 2 Blade/DHS Hurricane 8/Tibhar EL-S
DHS 506+ Blade/DHS Gold Arc 5/DHS Hurricane 8 39 degree Max


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 May 2017, 21:04 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2013, 11:04
Posts: 623
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Has thanked: 29 times
Been thanked: 77 times
Blade: DMS Destroyer
FH: XIOM Vega China max
BH: Transformer 1.5 mm
oh, i soooo wanted to like these....for all the above reasons...

but i hate them :lol:

you can throw all the advantages that the ball have out of the window bcs, i cant get past the one, for me, big flaw....and that is, there is simple not enough rotation...

even seamless balls have more rotation than this one...it was absurd...the player that i beat easily last season, both wing looper i have lost this time in 5 sets, only bcs of the ball...for ppl that dont know me, i am playing with frictionless anti...when i blocked his heavy spin last season with a different ball, the underspin was so hard he hit his knee lol...and when we played last weak with d40 he missed it alright, but this time it went long over the net bcs he was overcompensating since he expected there was more underspin on it...when he adopted it was all over...he could spin on my anti 5 or 6 times in a row...

and it was not only me...my teammate who is playing with 2 inverted could not win a point from the serve, and he have great serves...

all of that could be that is bcs of my anti i am not liking it...but i also dislike it for my fh...bcs the ball is not spinning enough, when i wanted to attack a heavy underspin with a strong spin, the ball didnt have a trajectory to overcome the net...it was going in a straight line...and if i compensate and hit it higher it went long...

the ball is good only for flat hitters, or for ppl that are looping higher less risky balls... anyone whose game consists around a spin or spin variations is not going to have a fun time with this ball...

i had resold the balls immediately and dont want to see them again :rock:

all above is just my personal opinion and experience with the d40 ball, dont attack me for it pls, i see a lot of ppl like it... :up:

_________________
My TT blog
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 May 2017, 22:05 
Offline
Joo Too
Joo Too
User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2008, 18:31
Posts: 3126
Location: Dendermonde, Belgium
Has thanked: 788 times
Been thanked: 345 times
Blade: BTY Joo Se Hyuk ST
FH: DHS Hurricane 3-50 Soft R
BH: TSP Curl P1-R 1.5 B
I've felt the same, although with the 1* balls. But then again, Gionis wins the Croatia Open with these new balls.

_________________
There's always stuff to improve!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2017, 00:41 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 14 Aug 2016, 15:12
Posts: 350
Has thanked: 23 times
Been thanked: 57 times
Blade: Palio TCT
FH: Palio CJ8000
BH: Kokutaku Tuple 110
111Iceman111, did you test BTY G40 and Nittaku as well, and if so, where would you put the D40?

_________________
Red is blogging here >> http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=30522


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2017, 02:33 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2013, 11:04
Posts: 623
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Has thanked: 29 times
Been thanked: 77 times
Blade: DMS Destroyer
FH: XIOM Vega China max
BH: Transformer 1.5 mm
yes i did...

it is closest to nittaku premium but imo with even less rotation...if you like nittaku premium you can get d40 in 3rd of its price, its practically the same ball...

_________________
My TT blog
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2017, 05:00 
Offline
Senior member
User avatar

Joined: 30 Jun 2007, 06:20
Posts: 182
Location: England
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 2 times
Blade: Re-impact Tachi
FH: Palio Thor's
BH: Tibhar Grass DTecS
I didn't like them at first either, thinking I couldn't generate any spin. But stick with them, I think it's just a question of timing which will come after a couple of sessions.

_________________

Blade: Re-Impact Tachi. BH: Grass DTecS (ox, new version) FH: Palio Thor's max


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2017, 14:34 
Offline
The Pied Pipper
The Pied Pipper
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jun 2017, 23:16
Posts: 1243
Location: Somewhere out there!
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 25 times
111Iceman111 wrote:
oh, i soooo wanted to like these....for all the above reasons...

but i hate them :lol:

you can throw all the advantages that the ball have out of the window bcs, i cant get past the one, for me, big flaw....and that is, there is simple not enough rotation...

even seamless balls have more rotation than this one...it was absurd...the player that i beat easily last season, both wing looper i have lost this time in 5 sets, only bcs of the ball...for ppl that dont know me, i am playing with frictionless anti...when i blocked his heavy spin last season with a different ball, the underspin was so hard he hit his knee lol...and when we played last weak with d40 he missed it alright, but this time it went long over the net bcs he was overcompensating since he expected there was more underspin on it...when he adopted it was all over...he could spin on my anti 5 or 6 times in a row...

and it was not only me...my teammate who is playing with 2 inverted could not win a point from the serve, and he have great serves...

all of that could be that is bcs of my anti i am not liking it...but i also dislike it for my fh...bcs the ball is not spinning enough, when i wanted to attack a heavy underspin with a strong spin, the ball didnt have a trajectory to overcome the net...it was going in a straight line...and if i compensate and hit it higher it went long...

the ball is good only for flat hitters, or for ppl that are looping higher less risky balls... anyone whose game consists around a spin or spin variations is not going to have a fun time with this ball...

i had resold the balls immediately and dont want to see them again :rock:

all above is just my personal opinion and experience with the d40 ball, dont attack me for it pls, i see a lot of ppl like it... :up:


Which 4h rubber do you use?

_________________
_________________
Think, before you drink, before you write!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 09 May 2017, 16:23 
Offline
Blockhead
Blockhead
User avatar

Joined: 07 Jan 2009, 19:20
Posts: 2064
Location: UK
Has thanked: 68 times
Been thanked: 128 times
Blade: Xiom Offensive S
FH: Tibhar MXP max
BH: TSP Regalis max
Fish wrote:
I didn't like them at first either, thinking I couldn't generate any spin. But stick with them, I think it's just a question of timing which will come after a couple of sessions.

I completely agree with this, it took me a couple of sessions to appreciate them.

Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk

_________________
Back to double inverted Spring 2016


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 May 2017, 04:21 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2013, 11:04
Posts: 623
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Has thanked: 29 times
Been thanked: 77 times
Blade: DMS Destroyer
FH: XIOM Vega China max
BH: Transformer 1.5 mm
i am using xiom vega china...as sort of alternative to h3n...so in no way a rubber that cannot produce rotation...

and i dont want to get use to them...i could play with them, but them i would have to change my whole game, put SP on bh etc...

_________________
My TT blog
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn my inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 May 2017, 04:43 
Offline
Joo Too
Joo Too
User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2008, 18:31
Posts: 3126
Location: Dendermonde, Belgium
Has thanked: 788 times
Been thanked: 345 times
Blade: BTY Joo Se Hyuk ST
FH: DHS Hurricane 3-50 Soft R
BH: TSP Curl P1-R 1.5 B
111Iceman111 wrote:
i am using xiom vega china...as sort of alternative to h3n...so in no way a rubber that cannot produce rotation...

and i dont want to get use to them...i could play with them, but them i would have to change my whole game, put SP on bh etc...


What Fish and so-devo probably mean is that, the longer you play with them, the more spin you'll be able to impart again. Something Liu Guoliang also indicated when it comes to these balls.

_________________
There's always stuff to improve!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 May 2017, 11:19 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User

Joined: 16 Oct 2007, 13:44
Posts: 2900
Location: Houston
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 138 times
111Iceman111 wrote:
i am using xiom vega china...as sort of alternative to h3n...so in no way a rubber that cannot produce rotation...

and i dont want to get use to them...i could play with them, but them i would have to change my whole game, put SP on bh etc...


Overreacting a bit I think. Two or three sessions and you will be playing exactly the way you always did with all the usual spin. I have to admit, though, that I had mostly been playing with Nittaku Premium before switching to these, so it really was like not changing anything.

_________________
Butterfly Viscaria Black tag
2.2 mm Nexy Karis M on FH and BH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 May 2017, 14:47 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5043
Has thanked: 40 times
Been thanked: 129 times
Der_Echte has NEVER hit with the new DHS 40+... so take it for its worth.

Right before the plastic balls hit the market, I went on record as saying that players who rely on heavy spin will STILL be able to generate heavy spin and play a similar style.

I have hit with the three major types, Seamless, seamed, and NP... I can spin them all and still play a game of pressure spin opening. I have preferences for a good seamless, but spin is still there.

I would go out on a limb and say the spin will still be there with the newer DHS 40+. Man I wanted to take a flamethrower and burn every one of the older versions... they played like they had a Mexican jumping bean inside each.

_________________
Tibhar Kim Jung Hoon FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P BH Nexy Elips

President, Korea Foreign TTC
http://www.facebook.com/koreaforeignttc

Hit us up on FB or the Forum

Janitor at Nexy USA
http://www.NexyUSA.com
http://www.facebook.com/Nexyusa/


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 148 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2012 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




Don't forget to 'LIKE' our forum on Facebook if you enjoy the content: