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PostPosted: 09 Jul 2018, 13:15 
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The quickest way to 1500 is long pips on one side, easier than anti. Here is info on how to do it with lots of videos to self coach you.

A lot of info here in one place. Read the intro then make your decision, well worth 5-10 minutes of your time.

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This is really interesting, and helpful. I've read over it several times.
If I went pips on one side, what could I do with the other side? Are pips good to serve with? I've also noticed that it is hard to twiddle with my thumb behind the paddle grip. Cause I have to lower the thumb in order to twiddle; lose time there.


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pickelman wrote:
LOOPOVER wrote:
The quickest way to 1500 is long pips on one side, easier than anti. Here is info on how to do it with lots of videos to self coach you.

A lot of info here in one place. Read the intro then make your decision, well worth 5-10 minutes of your time.

Link .... North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook

https://m.facebook.com/NorthLittleRockT ... =bookmarks


This is really interesting, and helpful. I've read over it several times.
If I went pips on one side, what could I do with the other side? Are pips good to serve with? I've also noticed that it is hard to twiddle with my thumb behind the paddle grip. Cause I have to lower the thumb in order to twiddle; lose time there.


...which is why most/all players don't have their thumb there. 8)

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pgpg wrote:
pickelman wrote:
LOOPOVER wrote:
The quickest way to 1500 is long pips on one side, easier than anti. Here is info on how to do it with lots of videos to self coach you.

A lot of info here in one place. Read the intro then make your decision, well worth 5-10 minutes of your time.

Link .... North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook

https://m.facebook.com/NorthLittleRockT ... =bookmarks


This is really interesting, and helpful. I've read over it several times.
If I went pips on one side, what could I do with the other side? Are pips good to serve with? I've also noticed that it is hard to twiddle with my thumb behind the paddle grip. Cause I have to lower the thumb in order to twiddle; lose time there.


...which is why most/all players don't have their thumb there. 8)


Good point. :lol: Well, I dunno what to do.


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OK, here's what to do.

1) Find a friend who wants to practice rather than play games.
2) Set aside some time to practice rather than play games.
3) Find a venue for this practice. A proper club would be ideal, but if you can go to your basement club when no one else is there it should work.
4) Draw up a plan on what to do. Perhaps spend two hours trying the different grips to begin with. I mean, actually spend 30 to 40 minutes, for instance, trying forehand and backhand topspin drives with your practice partner feeding you the ball. Then spend another 30-40 minutes with a different grip. And then another 30-40 minutes with your regular grip.
5) Step back and then decide which grip you think would be best for you, and STICK TO IT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AT LEAST. Quit going to the basement club to play games, ONLY PRACTICE.
6) When you feel you're ready, start playing games at the basement club again.
7) Forget about equipment for now. It's a distraction more than anything else.

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iskandar taib wrote:
OK, here's what to do.

1) Find a friend who wants to practice rather than play games.
2) Set aside some time to practice rather than play games.
3) Find a venue for this practice. A proper club would be ideal, but if you can go to your basement club when no one else is there it should work.
4) Draw up a plan on what to do. Perhaps spend two hours trying the different grips to begin with. I mean, actually spend 30 to 40 minutes, for instance, trying forehand and backhand topspin drives with your practice partner feeding you the ball. Then spend another 30-40 minutes with a different grip. And then another 30-40 minutes with your regular grip.
5) Step back and then decide which grip you think would be best for you, and STICK TO IT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AT LEAST. Quit going to the basement club to play games, ONLY PRACTICE.
6) When you feel you're ready, start playing games at the basement club again.
7) Forget about equipment for now. It's a distraction more than anything else.

Iskandar


That sounds like a good plan Iskandar. I have a table at my house, and I have been going at it with grips. I don't have any short pips, so I dunno how I'd do with them. Mazunov is very fast, and I know I lose a lot on it. Bryce Speed on it, I double checked, and Tackifire Chop. Let me throw this in to the mix, something I'd never heard of until my cuz mentioned it. He's the basement champ of another league about 2 hours away. Could this type of paddle possibly help me get away from the backhand grip? https://www.aliexpress.com/store/produc ... 25928.html


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My cousin, he plays USATT, but his rating is about 1400 and he plays the same grip I do. He says it is called a backhand grip?? I just don't understand why he is 1400 doing the same thing, and I'm only 1000. :?: He is a braggart, but that's okay. He uses frictionless pips on one side, and I thought those were banned?


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iskandar taib wrote:
OK, here's what to do.

1) Find a friend who wants to practice rather than play games.
2) Set aside some time to practice rather than play games.
3) Find a venue for this practice. A proper club would be ideal, but if you can go to your basement club when no one else is there it should work.
4) Draw up a plan on what to do. Perhaps spend two hours trying the different grips to begin with. I mean, actually spend 30 to 40 minutes, for instance, trying forehand and backhand topspin drives with your practice partner feeding you the ball. Then spend another 30-40 minutes with a different grip. And then another 30-40 minutes with your regular grip.
5) Step back and then decide which grip you think would be best for you, and STICK TO IT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AT LEAST. Quit going to the basement club to play games, ONLY PRACTICE.
6) When you feel you're ready, start playing games at the basement club again.
7) Forget about equipment for now. It's a distraction more than anything else.

Iskandar


Iskandar, thank you, and all who have contributed here. It is very nice of you to help a low rated player do better. I want to get to that 1500 mark; that way I'm not embarrassed by those guys at the city league. One guy said, "you have set the record for the guy that has been at 1000 the longest-then he started laughing in the floor, and so did some more of them." I thought that was very rude. That guy is only about 1300 I think. Acts like he's 2000.


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pickelman wrote:
My cousin, he plays USATT, but his rating is about 1400 and he plays the same grip I do. He says it is called a backhand grip?? I just don't understand why he is 1400 doing the same thing, and I'm only 1000. :?: He is a braggart, but that's okay. He uses frictionless pips on one side, and I thought those were banned?


They are banned, so your cousin is a cheater. You can tell him that next time he brags about his rating, wins etc. :). Your cousin is not doing the same thing as you do though - he plays with pips, and this grip is 'OK' there (but still is limiting), since more or less all shots are done with BH and you get points from opponents mistakes, especially the ones who do not know what pips do to spin and how to play against them.

Where exactly are you located that you have a 'city league'? These are pretty rare in the US, I think. As far as dealing with people who make fun of your present skills - you have options:

* Don't play with them - find someone closer to your level to start with. How many points do you score against them today in a typical game? If it's less than 5, you are probably not ready for them yet. It's not fun for both of you, by the way, if difference in level is that large.
* Get better (if you achieve it with LP, be ready for them to start 'hating on pips' instead: "you only won because of pips"). Whatever.
* Ignore them
* Be persistent - frequently when people notice that you are trying to get better and keep showing up despite losing, it changes their attitude somewhat. Some still remain jerks, however.

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pgpg wrote:
pickelman wrote:
My cousin, he plays USATT, but his rating is about 1400 and he plays the same grip I do. He says it is called a backhand grip?? I just don't understand why he is 1400 doing the same thing, and I'm only 1000. :?: He is a braggart, but that's okay. He uses frictionless pips on one side, and I thought those were banned?


They are banned, so your cousin is a cheater. You can tell him that next time he brags about his rating, wins etc. :). Your cousin is not doing the same thing as you do though - he plays with pips, and this grip is 'OK' there (but still is limiting), since more or less all shots are done with BH and you get points from opponents mistakes, especially the ones who do not know what pips do to spin and how to play against them.

Where exactly are you located that you have a 'city league'? These are pretty rare in the US, I think. As far as dealing with people who make fun of your present skills - you have options:

* Don't play with them - find someone closer to your level to start with. How many points do you score against them today in a typical game? If it's less than 5, you are probably not ready for them yet. It's not fun for both of you, by the way, if difference in level is that large.
* Get better (if you achieve it with LP, be ready for them to start 'hating on pips' instead: "you only won because of pips"). Whatever.
* Ignore them
* Be persistent - frequently when people notice that you are trying to get better and keep showing up despite losing, it changes their attitude somewhat. Some still remain jerks, however.


Good advice, thank you. I guess pips do make thatcmuch of a difference. I will tell him hahaha! Why is it that they are illegal? He has tons of sheets in his closet of them. Said they wouldn’t ruin his game that he worked for years to build because of some stupid ban. I’d rather not say the state or city as some of those people are on or look at this board. Then they would probably run me down more. I think I may go every 3 months to a bigger league to check my progress. Now my cousin only uses the long pips side. Has them on both sides. Why does he do that?


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That was rude to laugh at you not improving. Usually that is a sign of a player who is not that much better than you (and always a sign of being a jerk).

It would really help you to see how 1500s play. You can PM me with you location (so nobody from your area sees it) and I can suggest some options, or try to hook you up with someone in your area via PM. That would give you an idea of the possible ways to reach your goal, and maybe one style would seem more possible or appealing to you. There are lots of different ways to play at 1500 level.

1500s usually have a strength they use to win points, and also a lot of big weaknesses. Some 1500s who are developing a "normal" TT style have a decent fh loop. Others play bh all over the table. Some have one or two really good serves that win a lot of points at their level. Some use long pips to block and push, and fh smash balls their opponents pop up.

The reason they are 1500 instead of 1700 is usually one of, they are not consistent enough, their strength is not strong enough to hurt better players, or their weaknesses are so weak they outweigh their strength.

To go from 1000 to 1500 is hard. I don't think you will be able to continue playing with your grip and get there. This may sound bad, but if you seriously want to get to 1500 the best thing is probably to choose a new grip from shakehand, penhold or seemiller, and pretend you never played before. Learn every stroke and serve from scratch.

Learned means you can make 50 or more (fh drive, bh drive, fh push, bh push for examples) in a row without missing (at low speed). Like I believe Iskandar said, that takes real practice, not only matchplay.


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pickelman wrote:
That sounds like a good plan Iskandar. I have a table at my house, and I have been going at it with grips. I don't have any short pips, so I dunno how I'd do with them. Mazunov is very fast, and I know I lose a lot on it. Bryce Speed on it, I double checked, and Tackifire Chop. Let me throw this in to the mix, something I'd never heard of until my cuz mentioned it. He's the basement champ of another league about 2 hours away. Could this type of paddle possibly help me get away from the backhand grip? https://www.aliexpress.com/store/produc ... 25928.html



I have one of those blades. I bought it as a novelty after I saw it on sale at the WTTC two years ago. And I saw someone play with one (>2000 level) at the Chiang Mai club before that. It's sort of an variation of the shakehands grip, it works the same way (one rubber surface on the forehand, the other for the backhand) and is meant for looping. It sort of has a built in "cocked wrist". One day I'll give it another shot but it would take a lot of getting used to (I'd have to devote a couple of months to get used to it I think).

As I said... don't bother with equipment (especially weird stuff like this) at this point in time. There's time for this later. If your Mazunov blade is too fast, then get a slower one (I'd suggest a Sanwei M8, you can get one for about $14 complete with two sheets of T88 rubber, including shipping - see that other thread) - a fast blade could be the reason you're missing your topspin drives. Don't bother with long pips just yet, you can decide to try those in two or three months after you develop your other strokes. It takes a while to learn to use them, too.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SANWEI- ... 74001.html

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Pickelman, I'm coming in here late, but since I'm your age and also working my way through the lowbie ranks, I thought you might appreciate my story.

Unlike you, I had never played the game until recently. My first trip to 'The Club' was in April 2017 and guys like you (the 1000-1200 brigade) squashed me like a bug. But now, 16 months later, I beat them all. My level is 1300-1400ish and improving - I hope to be at least 1400-1500 by end of year. And I am no natural athlete (quite the opposite) so if you have ability I'm sure you can do better.

This has definitely taken a commitment. Besides 2 nights a week at the club, I train at home 6-12 hours per week, every week. I bought a table, robot, and Go-Pro for my garage (and my alarm is set for 5am 6 days per week as I have a wife and a job :)). You may already have some of this in place, as well as 20 years of experience playing, so you're probably in great position to start training.

My advice on technique is probably not worth much, except to say it has been my primary focus. I record my training sessions and compare my strokes (frame by frame) to the videos on pingskills.com. I try to emulate arm, body, and foot position throughout the stroke as best i can. Then I take more video and compare the results. This seems to be slowly working and my initial basement stroke is now a somewhat respectable 1300ish swing.

I supplement this with 1hr of coaching per week - but for me it's less about learning technique and more about correcting whatever heinous habits I have been inadvertently teaching myself at home. There are other guys my age taking lessons too but they don't seem to be improving much so I'm guessing they aren't putting in the time at home with the robot and video camera.

I *do* think that you need to either:
A) retrain yourself with a traditional topspin/attacking stroke - either with coaching or a video camera and robot
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B) switch to long pips on one side - this certainly gives me (and most guys my level) fits

I just don't see how you could be a serious threat at the 1500 level (or even my level) playing your game with inverted rubbers. 1400-1500s can push all day with you until you gave them an easy loop then you'd be in trouble.


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