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If the red line marks the treated area, I would say you're right!

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I think it should be legal, if the verdict is on the contrary, then the decision would be either political or just from someone who is looking any tiny holes to attack.
I believe that there are many of C-penners who seal their blade only to the point where the rubber ends (I am talking about those who leave the wooden part uncovered for the fingers to hold the blade).

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speedplay wrote:
After reading up on the ITTF rules, it clearly says:
"any layer within the blade and any layer of covering material or
adhesive on a side used for striking the ball shall be continuous and of even
thickness."

I think the "continuous" part is just referring to that if you have a layer in the blade, that layer has to be present throughout every part of striking surface, so you couldn't have a blade with part of a layer missing in the area covered by your rubber. I don't think it's referring to the homogeneity of the material used. Also, considering that you're not likely to hit with the untreated area, and if you did it would probably either hit the label on the rubber or your finger as well, it's not a major issue.

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Yes, you tell them speedplay! There are many things we could pick on, the long pips were just an easy target...

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The way I read it; If the rubber only went to the red line and the fingers used the other side of the line, ( C Pen RPB side ?) it would be legal.
If the blade was used for shakehands and the rubber went to the handle, It would be illegal. :D

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Hi Speedplay,
Did you mean;
If not covered below the red line, it should be " illegal "? ) :lol:

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True, but hookshot is right too, since if it IS covered, the surface under the rubber is not continuous, so it would be illegal too.

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wel i was bringing this up at our club tonight as one of the players gave out these catalouge which had this bat in.

he cleared this up to me, he said that the rules said only 70% of the bat has to be wood or something like that, cant properly rememebr but tahts basicly what he said


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I'm afraid that 70% refers to the different plies...not the area on the blade.

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2.04.04 The covering material shall extend up to but not beyond the limits of the blade, except that the part nearest the handle and gripped by the fingers may be left uncovered or covered with any material.

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Silver wrote:
2.04.04 The covering material shall extend up to but not beyond the limits of the blade, except that the part nearest the handle and gripped by the fingers may be left uncovered or covered with any material.


99% of blades that have glued rubber (even pro's) the rubber extends beyond the limits of the blade


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We're not talking a few mm here. Umpires are far less tolerant if the rubber doesn't cover the wood, compared to the rubber overhanging.

I was answering this question anyway.

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Which leaves me to my next question; who is it that decides what part that is playing surface?

I know that one side pen blades aren't allowed to hit the ball with the uncovered side. But according to the rules, I'm allowed to hit the ball with my playing hand and the edge of the blade etc etc, more or less, anything below the waist of the hand I'm holding my bat with. So, why not take a single sided pen blade, put a small piece of rubber on it, and use that side as a disturbing anti side? :lol:


If you read the ruling,

2.04.04 The covering material shall extend up to but not beyond the limits of the blade, except that the part nearest the handle and gripped by the fingers may be left uncovered or covered with any material.

Your fingers aren't covering the entire back of the blade, so you can't use it like this unless your entire hand was covering the back of the blade. You can however, using a regular penhold grip, cover the blade from the top of the fingers upwards to the edge. But if you use it in competition and repeatedly intentionally hit the uncovered wood, you'd probably get faulted eventually.

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this bat may be illegle. the bloke was saying how he was told by an umpire that he couldnt use this bat once. He had long pimples on one isde and as it had no sponge, you could see right through the rubber and see the blade. So i gues this bat has its limits


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What he means is, if you can see the blade markings through the rubber, it's not legal.
This is typically red ox on the printed blade face side.

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