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No, I meant your Durometer readings. Sriver measures at - what did I say? 54, most of the 729 offerings don't measure that hard. The old 729 Super FX isn't on the scale (probably hasn't been measured yet).

Iskandar

Yes you're right. I must update the table, as I've got a lot of values to add, just haven't has time to get around to it.

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Very interesting. Just got me a sheet of 729FX Super. Well, it's NOT the old 729 - I have one of the old sheets (the topsheet is starting to come loose from the sponge after all these years). The indentification strip says only "729", not "729FX", and there's no "Super" on the other side. This topsheet still exists - it's offered with the different soft "Cross" sponge in the "batwings" packaging as a "training rubber":



(That's got to be the biggest "lot" sale I've ever seen on aliexpress.com. Not particularly cheap, either - I've seen this sheet go for around $4.50. So Liang Jialiang sells rubber sheets on aliexpress. Interesting. )

So I wonder - CAN you get the original 729 topsheet with the original hard blue sponge?

Iskandar

The Sponge Hardness Table has finally been updated, with now over 400 entries!
Although it's been a while since it was updated, I've been collecting values all this time, and writing them down, I just didn't get around to actually updating the table.
A lot of the latest rubbers have been added, so hopefully you'll find the ones you looking for.

A big THANK YOU to those people that have been giving me offcuts of their rubbers, so that I could measure them and add them to the table!

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Are there multiple hardness standards used by manufacturers? It seems that, for example, a chinese rubber advertised as a 40-degree may actually be "harder" than a european rubber advertised as a 47 degree.

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Blades: BTY Adolescen
FH: Xiom Omega V Asia
BH: Joola Rhyzm
Glue: rubber: 2 layers of TearMender; blade: 1 thin layer of Elmers RC.

Yes they do use multiple standards, which is the main reason for this project.

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For the newer rubbers not listed perhaps there is a way to convert from one standard to another ... ideally it would be a linear conversion factor so one could just add or subtract degrees to compare more accurately ... but I suspect the manufacturers won't make it easy. Thanks for the great job.

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Blades: BTY Adolescen
FH: Xiom Omega V Asia
BH: Joola Rhyzm
Glue: rubber: 2 layers of TearMender; blade: 1 thin layer of Elmers RC.

Yes you're right, not all the scales are linear. I did post one conversion chart here somewhere, which gave comparisons between 2 standards... I'll have to see if I can find it.

Edit: Here it is: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=23663

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Got it, thanks. There is a conversion pattern between the 2 standards but unless new sponges are outside these ranges (<34 or >41 on DHS scale) hopefully we can still use the table as is.

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Blades: BTY Adolescen
FH: Xiom Omega V Asia
BH: Joola Rhyzm
Glue: rubber: 2 layers of TearMender; blade: 1 thin layer of Elmers RC.

Somebody posted a conversion table between the two hardness scales. Let me see… yes, viewtopic.php?f=44&t=23663 has it.

Hi, Haggisv

I strongly suspect you do operate a durometer version with Shore A scale, not Shore C. The two devices are easy to confuse by their outlook.
The probe C looks the same as probe A , the probe tip shaped as truncated cone. But the C inner spring is much more power and hence the C durometer must indicate 15-17 on the Sponge materials.
You have mostly got the indication of 40-50 with your given durometer which is just the readings the A durometer should indicate.
It is clear, your present device in use is SHORE A, not C.

NOTE: as far as I know, all the table tennis manufacturers are using either A shore scale (truncated cone probe) or C Ascer scale (semi-spherical probe) for testing sponges.

Ever Yours.

That's a really handy scale, thanks igorponger

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I think he's right - the durometer is actually using scale A. That sheet of Sriver we were discussing earlier was measured at 53 degrees. If that's Shore C it'd be equivalent to 85-87 Shore A. And according to Wikipedia these inline skate wheels (you know how hard THEY are.. a LOT harder than any Sriver):



are 83 and 85 Shore A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shore_durometer

Iskandar

Is this TARGET H51* rubber as hard as is indicated on the package? Looking forward to hear from Haggisv.

Hi, Haggisv

Which Shore Type did you employ for testing the rubber samples? Could you give a real photo of your working device?
Thanks.

Shore A (truncated cone indentor) inbuilt spring force 0.82 kgf


Shore D (conical indentor) inbuilt spring force 4.45 kgf


Shore O (semispherical indentor) inbuilt spring force 0.82 kgf



Shore C (truncated cone) spring force 4.45 kgf
(image same as Shore A)