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Some people say that they use a certain color of rubber. Is there any difference?

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If you do a search this questions been asked and answered in detail before. Generally though black rubbers often have a little more grip, and if they are tacky are usually tackier than the red. Red rubbers traditionally tend to be the faster of the 2 colours, but this does not always hold true.

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the main difference is the color IMO anyways, i think that these days they are exactly the same

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The difference is mostly found in Chinese rubber.
My topsheet of 802 and 1615 are almost non tacky yet my black pips are very grippy. The black ones also have a softer topsheet imo.

So I guess this is how it works:
Inverted
Red : Harder, better for speed drives, blocks.
Black : Softer and spinnier, better for arc-ey loops, brush loops and loooops

Pips
Red : Reversal and is slightly more forgiving
Black : Spin manipulation

Depend much on the rubber type tho. This is only a general view.

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Your description is pretty accurate. Back in the '80s, even the Japanese rubbers had notable differences between red and black sheets. I remember clearly that black Sriver and Mark V were softer and grippier than their red counterparts. Now the difference is found mostly in Chinese made rubbers, like Giant Dragon Talon, for example, although Srivers and Mark Vs still have that clear difference today.

No. Base elastomer batches are often split, pigment added and sheets formed on the same manufacturing line.

Manufacturers go to great lengths to ensure exact similarity in chemical and physical characteristics of the red and black sheets.

However people claim:

red spinnier
black spinnier
red softer
black softer
red harder
black harder
red faster
black faster

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I would guess that the Euro and Japanese ones do, but the Chinese do a lot less.

It's widely accepted that Chinese tacky rubbers are tackier in black (which tends to make them slower too), and as a long time user of Chinese rubbers this is my own experience as well.

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where as a red donic a akkadi taichi is tackier/spinier than the black one which doesnt seem to exist

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How about tensor rubbers?

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Usually very little difference, if any.

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I once ran across a black sheet of LKT Red Diamond. Much different different than the red. Oh wait.....


Sorry, that was pointless.

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FH rubber: LKT (KTL?)rapid sound
BH rubber: Gambler reflectoid

The difference is only in the mind ..

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Actually, in the wavelengths of the light reflected off the surface of the rubber.

I'm batting a thousand tonight.....

Actually, I bet that has some truth. Mental blocks and assumptions can be quite powerful. Still, especially in the cheaper Chinese rubbers, there's probably some pretty minor differences.

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Buying tenergy is just loopy behavior. On multiple levels.

Equipment changed! ( a few months ago )

Blade: Donic appelgren allplay
FH rubber: LKT (KTL?)rapid sound
BH rubber: Gambler reflectoid

The difference is actually confirmed by Waqidi Falicoff, owner of Asti brand of table tennis rubbers, the only actual inverted rubber producer in the U.S. for the past twenty years. He said the red and black dyes made a significant difference in the property of the rubber that required different formulations for rubbers designed for each color, in order to make them achieve equal grip, softness and flexibility.
So the difference is actually real.

When you see black, that means I just scored with my forehand. Red? I just whipped you with my backhand.

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