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Blade: Xiom Offensive S
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The short version
Blade: Anything ALL to OFF-.
AVOID DEF, OFF, OFF+. AVOID ANY COMPOSITE BLADE - CARBON, ARYLATE, KEVLAR, ETC.
Rubber: Something 'normal' in about 1.5mm to 1.8mm
AVOID MAXIMUM AND 2.0MM THICKNESS RUBBERS, RUBBERS <1MM THICK, TENSORS, GERMAN MADE RUBBERS (in general, since 95% of them are Tensors), BUTTERFLY HIGH TENSION, TENERGY, SPRING SPONGE, TSP HI TENSION, FORMULA DONIC, YASAKA SPIN TENSION SYSTEM, YASAKA PRYDE, JOOLA GREEN POWER, JOOLA EXPRESS, ANYTHING THAT SAYS TENSION IN IT, SHORT PIPS, MEDIUM PIPS, LONG PIPS, ANYTHING THAT COSTS TOO MUCH, SUPERSOFT STICKY RUBBERS, ANTISPIN ETC.


No, this isn't a place for you to tell us about your first bat. What we're doing here is a blurb about great bats to kick off your table tennis odyssey (It's another beginner equipment thread!)




Blades:

<---More Expensive--->
Andro Supercore ALL+
Andro Suss Hinoki ALL
Avalox P500
Avalox BT550
Avalox BT555
Butterfly Grubba Pro
Butterfly Primorac OFF-
Butterfly Timo Boll ALL
Donic Applegren Allplay V1
Donic Waldner Senso V1
Nittaku Kasumi Basic
Nittaku Narcus
Stiga Allround Classic
Stiga Allround NCT
Stiga Energy Wood
Stiga Offensive Classic
Yasaka Extra
Yasaka Extra 3D



<---Less Expensive--->
Galaxy 961
Galaxy N10
Galaxy U4
LKT Bomb
LKT Instinct (OP Note: I have issues recommending this blade these days. I have seen at least 6 snapped blades. They seem typically weak around the neck)


OP Note: Cheap vs Expensive. What's the difference?
If you take care of your blade, they'll last about the same. Generally the more expensive blade will have a better finish and better wood/construction quality. If you abuse it, you'll ruin an expensive blade just as quickly as a cheap blade.



Rubbers:

Rubber thickness: 1.8mm

Grip:
Butterfly Sriver FX
Butterfly Sriver EL
Butterfly Sriver L
Donic Coppa
Donic Coppa Tagora
Donic Coppa Tenero
Donic JO Waldner
Nittaku Annsort
Stiga Mendo
Stiga Mendo Energy
Tibhar Rapid
Tibhar Varispin

Sticky:
DHS Hurricane 3
Friendship 729 Higher
Friendship 729 Cream
LKT Pro XT






















I'll go first.

On the cheap:
- Galaxy 961 or LKT Instinct
- 729FX Lightening 2.0mm
Total price: <$50 AUD.
Description:
Medium speed blade for all round style play, 729FX Lightening for good control and spin generation. Choose the 961 for a softer touch or the Instinct for stronger attack.

Quality costs money:
- Avalox P500
- Donic Coppa Tagora 2.0mm
Total Price: Approx $120 AUD
Description:
Spin Offensive class blade for controlled attacking play, quality Donic Japanese rubber for strong controlled attack.

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LKT Instinct
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Butterfly Primorac Off-
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Silver wrote:
No, this isn't a place for you to tell us about your first bat. What we're doing here is a blurb about great bats to kick off your table tennis odyssey (It's a damn beginner equipment thread!)

I'll go first.

On the cheap:
- Galaxy 961 or LKT Instinct
- 729FX Lightening 2.0mm
Total price: <$50 AUD.
Description:
Medium speed blade for all round style play, 729FX Lightening for good control and spin generation. Choose the 961 for a softer touch or the Instinct for stronger attack.

Quality costs money:
- Avalox P500
- Donic Coppa Tagora 2.0mm
Total Price: Approx $120 AUD
Description:
Spin Offensive class blade for controlled attacking play, quality Donic Japanese rubber for strong controlled attack.


IMHO Coppa Tagora is a little fast for a beginner better try Sriver FX first.


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Excellent idea Silver! I'll sticky this thread once we get a few more entries (stickying it now may make it get lost a little among the other stickied topics).

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I think this thread does not need to be about beginner players, but more for those players that are new to equipment, and need some help to pick a decent setup to suit their style...

Offensive 2-winged looper - 729 setup:
729 Bomb
729 Higher
729 higher

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And what are the beginners' blades for penholders ?

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Beginners C-pen:

Traditional chinese close to the table player:
729 Bomb c-pen
RITC 2000 2.0mm

Beginner to intermediate looper:
729 Bomb c-pen
729 Lightening 2.0mm

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haggisv wrote:
I think this thread does not need to be about beginner players, but more for those players that are new to equipment,


Yes that's true.

Japanese/European rubber spin game:
Avalox P500 (Or similar Limba top blade)

(Glue)
Sriver FX
Mark V 30

(Non-Glue)
Tango
Desto F2, F3

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aeoliah wrote:
And what are the beginners' blades for penholders ?


All of the aformentioned blades are available in Penhold :P

I'd take a off- speed limba topped blade with something soft. Sriver FX, Mark V 30 are great, especially for consistent RPB.

Forehand is a matter of taste: If you're a loop rallier, european rubbers are better (imo). If you prefer to stay close, stickier rubbers are better.

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looper with glue:
Sriver FX 2.1
Bryce FX 2.1

looper without glue:
Bryce Speed fx 2.1
Donic Sonex JP gold


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When I have to advise a racket for a beginer, it also depends on his game but I always chose something with good control as an allround blade and two rubbers as a tibhar varispin, tibhar legen or a tibhar rapid if he is more offensive. I would advise 1.8 as max thickness to begin: it is fast enough to attack and offers a good control.
I don't often advise friendship beacause a lot of people here only know the 729 ritc with blue ponge. Some of them looks me like this :shock: when I say they are plenty of friendship, even very soft one.

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For Penhold (probably Shakehand as well) I'd recommend:

Blade: Yasaka Extra or Extra 3D.
Rubbers: MarkV/Sriver (non-tacky) or Cream (tacky).

After over 1 year and 4 blades, playing with Yasaka Extra still felt really, really great. I'd really like to get another all-wood blade just because of the last session with it.


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For a beginner wanting a carbon blade I'd say the Galaxy 2024 wouldn't be a bad choice.

And for rubber, I would also throw into the pot the Butterfly Flextra. Its not too expensive (as far as BTY goes), has good control and spin and enough speed too.

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sunflex wrote:
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looper with glue:
Sriver FX 2.1
Bryce FX 2.1

looper without glue:
Bryce Speed fx 2.1
Donic Sonex JP gold


Good god, no. Even regular Sriver is a tad fast for a beginner, and no beginner should be using glue, in ANY context. Bryce and Sonex are perfect ways to kill any newbie's game.

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Hobbes wrote:
sunflex wrote:
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looper with glue:
Sriver FX 2.1
Bryce FX 2.1

looper without glue:
Bryce Speed fx 2.1
Donic Sonex JP gold


Good god, no. Even regular Sriver is a tad fast for a beginner, and no beginner should be using glue, in ANY context. Bryce and Sonex are perfect ways to kill any newbie's game.


LKT Instinct
LKT Pro XP
LKT Pro XP

Butterfly Primorac Off-
Sriver fx 1.9
Sriver fx 1.9

these are beginners setup

the other 2 setups are for advanced players that are relatively new to equipment.


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