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Hello All, I am not sure if his topic has been covered but I would like to bring back if it has. (if not fantastic. Any information would be great).

Essentially I would like to know what is the better rubber if not using any boosting agents between Andro Ransant and Tenergy 05?

I have been using T05 on my forhand since it has come out and have absolutely loved it. We all know it is expensive though. Recently I found out that Andro Rasant is equivalent if not better then Tenergy 05 if you aren't boosting the rubber.

Has anybody played with both rubbers? If so would you care to outline some main differences and what you preferred?

They are different rubbers... not equivalent. Each are good rubbers in their own right, but if you really like the feel of Tenergy 05 you might not like the Rasant, because it WILL feel and perform differently.
I found that Rasant flattens out at high speed, giving more speed but less spin. Rasant also does not have quite the 'dead' feel that T05 has t low impact, feeling a little more lively in the short game.
We have a thread of Butterfly Equivalent rubbers, where you'll find a range of rubbers of rubbers in a similar category as Tenergy, but not quite the same.

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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Haggisv but I have hit for 10-15 mins with a bat 05 on one side and Rasant on the other and I couldn't tell the difference. I'm not saying there isn't a difference only that I couldn't pick it (I did blind tests). I was only looping btw.

Ive just changed to T05 on both sides of my blade and had Rasant and Rasant Turbo on it before.

There is not much, if any, difference, like carbonman has mentioned... but there is a different feel on contact I found for me. I did find for me the Rasant Turbo was better allround then the regular Rasant and performed better for me in the short game. I think its because of the softer topsheet and harder sponge. The Rasant didn't feel like is had as much dwell as the T05 but that could be a case of blade/rubber combination, although the Viscaria is reasonably soft feeling. I did find that slow looping the ball was easier with the T05 then the other two, with the Turbo being next best.

I tested these out pretty extensively with all strokes, I didn't feel any less comfortable looping with either of the 3 rubbers. I only found the short game nicer for me with the T05 and Rasant Turbo over the regular Rasant. I did feel as both Rasants felt faster then the T05 though, I seemed to feel the ball more and have more control with the T05, but that could just be that the T05 sheet suited my play more.

My opponents said that they didn't feel much difference in spin on the ball, so for me I think that I just liked the feel of ball contact better on the T05 and R-Turbo more. I don't think you'll be disappointed with either of the 3 rubbers.

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I think it depends a lot on HOW you play the ball as to whether you feel a difference between the two rubbers. And probably makes quite a difference on which blade you use it on too. Personally I found Rasant a LOT faster for my kind of shots than T05. I don't graze the ball much. I drive into the ball in a loop that ends up on a low trajectory...so its much closer to a Flat Hit than what Carbonman would play for example (as his loops are "mega-spinny"). T05 gives great spin and speed through spin, but isn't terribly fast if you don't engage that revolution-creation ability onto the ball. Rasant on the other hand will do the same thing as T05 in this respect, but WILL ALSO give great speed through catapult...which is what creates the speed in a flatter hit.

So, for some people, there will be very little difference in feel if they are "brush-looping" with it. For others, there is quite a difference for the "all-out" drive speed of the rubbers. A former member of this forum and my club, Mars63, had a hit with my bat a few years back when I had T05 on it. He called himself a dinosaur as his game was all very much flat-hitting based (but boy could he flat hit a ball from low on the table). He didn't like the T05 as it was nowhere near fast enough for him. Others I know who use a lot more loop create huge speed with T05. It all comes down to what you do with it!

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Tenergy 05 has a slightly higher throw angle than Rasant. It should feel different as Rasant is a lighter rubber than Tenergy also. In terms of performance, Rasant offers a bit more punch when playing third ball or kill shots. As mentioned previously, Tenergy 05 gives most of it's speed via spin.

In most other senses though they are fairly interchangeable, it all depends on the style of play and particularly the style of offense.

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In the normal game there is maybe not much difference between the two rubbers.
But in the extremes Tenergy is a better rubber. If you want to attack balls very close to the table (half-long), attack with a lot of spin, play really short balls.
Because Rasant has a higher catapult effect it is more difficult to control it in those situations.
Also you can play more aggressive with a Tenergy 05, e.g. balls that are behind the table and below the net can be played with more spin and more flat cross the net.

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While I do use rasant, I must say in terms of pushing I find tenergy generally superior in terms of control and spin. Rasant is one of many rubbers that you can push vigorously but the ball will sail off the table.

I've tried tenergy 05 and compared to andro rasant without booster, man that thing can be fast. I also tried boosting tenergy 80 and after putting on voc booster, the rubber became really soft and my shots were also super super fast!. it's like cocaine for table tennis but a lot better. I tried the andro rasant without booster, and it has a really low throw angle compared to tenergy so ur stroke needs to be more upwards. Both have good grip, and ofc tenergy has a little bit more spin on the ball. This was all done one off and carbon blades. and andro rasant is porb not that good with boost compared to tenergy. adding booster to tenergy is like putting a jet engine on yourcar. s**** goes real fast. and those voc-free boosters are s*** compared to cement glue and like actual speed glue. if u want real speed from a cheap rubber, then put those on the sponge. the loud click sound u get is f***** amazing!

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The thing about Rasant, though - if you're just coming back into the sport (like I was a couple years back) and came across all the hype (ads, videos, etc.) surrounding Rasant, there's this tendency to think there's Rasant and then there's everything else. The thread's topic suggests that this is the case here. Rasant is just one of many equivalent Tensor rubbers - in fact, it's not even the only Tensor rubber sold by Andro , nor is it even among those that gets talked about most on this forum. But you wouldn't know that if you've just been reading the Rasant hype.

About comparing rubbers - it's HARD to compare rubbers (or at least, it is when they're both Euro/Japanese "boosted" inverted rubbers). Differences - even between Tenergy 05 and Rasant - are small, and they're SUBTLE. They are different, but as you can see, it's hard to tell a lot of the time. To some people (apparently a lot of European professionals) it really makes a difference, while to a great many other people, probably not.

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