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Butterfly has one of the best quality control & consistency of their products which I feel makes them the best standard/benchmark to be used in comparisons, but that's not to say other companies like Andro, yasaka, Donic, etc aren't good because they are very good as well.

So they have very good consistency/quality products but they don't have one of the bests rubbers anymore (specifically regarding tenergy rubbers). I know that people will say that equipment like rubbers is preference & what ever works for the player BUT something that doesn't work for any player is ridiculous prices for a old product that continues becoming more expensive.

I feel like butterfly has had such good success that they stopped trying to innovate and research to surpass themselves especially when the game has changed with the new ball. I know the saying if it aint broke don't fix it, but a lot of companies have caught up and surpassed them in the rubber department at a lower price for the consumer.

Example of a rubber better than butterfly T05 in all categories for a lower price is the Cornelius target pro gt -h47. Alot of other new generation rubbers for the fairly new plastic ball surpasses each of the tenergy rubbers in certain categories granted that nothing is perfect but for its performance to price ratio I can't see why people would buy butterfly anymore unless its just for the guaranteed quality/consistency or people found something they like and don't need to move on which I admit are good reasons.

I know that Rozena is fairly new from butterfly but its just another example of very good quality/consistency but that rubber is nothing next level or new just a good all around rubber. Alot of other rubbers are similar to rozena with a lower price point as well.

I'll just like to end with just make companies value your money/business & support other businesses to make competition which gives consumers lower prices & innovation of their products.


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If tenergy has been surpassed, why is it still the standard? If that cornelius rubber is better in 'all categories' why isn't that the gold standard?

It's not because of QC. Nobody buys a rubber because "oh, its consistent from sheet to sheet".

This is basically Sriver and Bryce all over again.

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If tenergy has been surpassed, why is it still the standard? If that cornelius rubber is better in 'all categories' why isn't that the gold standard?

It's not because of QC. Nobody buys a rubber because "oh, its consistent from sheet to sheet".


Their are pros switching from butterfly products whether its due to contracts with sponsorship's or personal preference. These are new generation rubbers that haven't been out on the market to long (cornelius target pro) compared to tenergy which was released 10 years ago, so I don't assume for these rubbers to catch on like wildfire. Also stated that people stay with butterfly products because they are guaranteed quality/consistency or people found something they like and don't need to move on but because they don't move on they don't know what else is out there.


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It's not because of QC. Nobody buys a rubber because "oh, its consistent from sheet to sheet".


Certainly a factor for me, although probably in reverse - ie if the QC is poor I move on.

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Example of a rubber better than butterfly T05 in all categories for a lower price is the Cornelius target pro gt -h47.

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I haven't tried the Cornelius rubber but I've tried a lot of the most recent releases... none of them have the feel of Tenergy - and that's why I use this rubber.

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I think the best way to judge if it is the standard or not is to see how many top players still use Butterfly rubbers or blades or both. I think what the general public uses is important for sales but is not really critical when it comes to determining what is the gold standard. And I do believe Butterfly still takes the lions share of users when it comes to international events.

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pgpg wrote:
Sidespinforwin wrote:
Example of a rubber better than butterfly T05 in all categories for a lower price is the Cornelius target pro gt -h47.

Fact or opinion?

The Cornelius target pro gt -h47 is another of the recent generation of Tensors from ESN. I've not tried it, but no doubt it's using the same technology as the other Tensors, so it's not likely to be dramatically different. I appreciate Sidespinforwin was only using it as an example, which is fair enough. :up:

I would agree that there is no incentive for Butterfly to spend money on research unless players are changing to another product. Of course Butterfly marketing is top notch too, which will continue to promote Tenergy as the best.

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haggisv wrote:
pgpg wrote:
Sidespinforwin wrote:
Example of a rubber better than butterfly T05 in all categories for a lower price is the Cornelius target pro gt -h47.

Fact or opinion?

The Cornelius target pro gt -h47 is another of the recent generation of Tensors from ESN. I've not tried it, but no doubt it's using the same technology as the other Tensors, so it's not likely to be dramatically different. I appreciate Sidespinforwin was only using it as an example, which is fair enough. :up:


I guess the only objectively true part of the claim would be 'cheaper than T05'. Other than that - it might be an example, but I'm not sure of what - unsubstantiated claim, poetic license, or opinion stated as fact in order to bolster OP's argument?

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pgpg wrote:
I guess the only objectively true part of the claim would be 'cheaper than T05'. Other than that - it might be an example, but I'm not sure of what - unsubstantiated claim, poetic license, or opinion stated as fact in order to bolster OP's argument?

:?: :lol:

Yes sorry I made the example of a rubber not based in fact but opinion. But that goes either way as someone can say butterfly rubbers is better than 'X' product which would be based on opinion instead of fact. Since their isn't any universal testing measures for table tennis rubbers we are left to rely on reviews, pro's opinions (which could be biased) & personal preference for whatever fits our game. If i tried googling average RPM's T05 imparts on a ABS ball I doubt i'll find more than 1 study if any at all.

Having owned a butterfly product (T05) and being able to play with it here & there at a Table tennis club if you are polite and another person is willing, its a great place to compare other rubbers first hand and ask others of their opinions/input. So to make this short I & another acquaintance was more capable of producing more spin with the Cornelius target pro gt. In my opinion I think the topsheet of the target pro gripped the ABS ball better than the T05. This is just my claim and doesn't warrant superiority over other rubbers.

Overall I just want butterfly to give customers fair prices & try innovating again, that doesn't mean they have to abandon their current rubbers but have a side project. I feel that they are to afraid to have their name blemished if they make a new rubber that isn't successful so they make rubbers like Rozena.


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