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PostPosted: 12 Oct 2018, 19:50 
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I've recently discovered that there is a massive change in spin when comparing a used plastic ball to a new plastic ball. A new ball is much spinner than one that's been used for, say... 6 - 12 hours.

I don't remember this being the case with celluloid. I mean, they did get all shiny and less spinny, but not this quickly. The change feels much quicker and more pronounced. The used plastic ball isn't even smooth / shiny, it still has texture to it.

Or is it all in my head? Using Mantra H with Nittaku Premium. The stupidly expensive ones.


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I notice this too with the Nittaku 40+ 3-star. It is a very nice ball, but it gets significantly less spinny once the texture gets polished down. Durability is otherwise excellent.

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I noticed that, too. I like Nittaku Premium balls in all other aspects: bounce, weight, hardness... Are there any alternatives that maintain the said properties and do not lose spin so quickly?


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ziv wrote:
I noticed that, too. I like Nittaku Premium balls in all other aspects: bounce, weight, hardness... Are there any alternatives that maintain the said properties and do not lose spin so quickly?


There is no such alternatives as yet, for plastic is a plausible material, easy to grind off. Those people playing the sport at professional level don't carry a damn about ball durability. They just would change to another ball after each single match completed.

To be honest, I have now developed a habit of changing to a new ball after a session play. I solely use D40+ dhs, for being non pricy at all.


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WorkoutMontage wrote:
I've recently discovered that there is a massive change in spin when comparing a used plastic ball to a new plastic ball. A new ball is much spinner than one that's been used for, say... 6 - 12 hours.

I don't remember this being the case with celluloid. I mean, they did get all shiny and less spinny, but not this quickly. The change feels much quicker and more pronounced. The used plastic ball isn't even smooth / shiny, it still has texture to it.

Or is it all in my head? Using Mantra H with Nittaku Premium. The stupidly expensive ones.


The newness time of the celluloid is half the time of the abs 40+ plastic ball.

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ziv wrote:
I noticed that, too. I like Nittaku Premium balls in all other aspects: bounce, weight, hardness... Are there any alternatives that maintain the said properties and do not lose spin so quickly?


I've been using the Nittaku Japan Star 40+ balls. I'm very discriminating when it comes to table tennis balls and to me, they play 90% like a Nittaku 3-Star Premium 40+ balls. The Japan Stars also last longer and don't seem to get shiny as fast as their pricier cousins ($1.21ea vs $2.83ea at Paddle Palace).


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I've been using the Nittaku Japan Star 40+ balls. I'm very discriminating when it comes to table tennis balls and to me, they play 90% like a Nittaku 3-Star Premium 40+ balls. The Japan Stars also last longer and don't seem to get shiny as fast as their pricier cousins ($1.21ea vs $2.83ea at Paddle Palace).

That's an interesting alternative, thanks. However, it's said that these balls are made from the same material that the Premium *** so I don't know why they could last longer.

I've also tried other Nittaku balls: Superior ** and J-Top training balls. Both of them seem to behave very alike to the Premium *** and are much cheaper. I'm not sure if they become shiny as quickly.


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We use J-Top balls at my club, also from paddle palace (https://www.paddlepalace.com/Nittaku-J-Top-40-Training-Ball-Bulk-Pack/productinfo/BNAJK/). I haven't totally focused on how fast they get shiny, but I think they do last longer - like the Japan Star ones. I can directly compare them to the Nittaku 2-Stars - and they blow those out of the water. The 2-Stars got shiny real fast, and they broke rather easily.


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notcras wrote:
We use J-Top balls at my club, also from paddle palace (https://www.paddlepalace.com/Nittaku-J-Top-40-Training-Ball-Bulk-Pack/productinfo/BNAJK/). I haven't totally focused on how fast they get shiny, but I think they do last longer - like the Japan Star ones. I can directly compare them to the Nittaku 2-Stars - and they blow those out of the water. The 2-Stars got shiny real fast, and they broke rather easily.

J-Top is almost twice as cheap as Japan Star but the pack (10 dozens) is way too big for a personal usage ;)


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