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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 19 May 2019, 18:48 
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Thank you very much folks for all the suggestions.
I couldn't find the rubbers you mentioned
https://tabletennisshop.com.au/
That is the shop I am exclusively buying from and prefer to do so in the future.
I like their service and it's run by TT enthusiasts themselves.
So I kinda like to support their business rather than Alibaba or other behemoths.
Of course price is the king and if it would differ significantly I would go somewhere else.
Where are you buying your rubbers?


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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 19 May 2019, 20:12 
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If you are buying from OOAK shop ;)
https://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.ph ... cts_id=111
https://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.ph ... cts_id=721


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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 19 May 2019, 20:21 
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WorkoutMontage wrote:
729 fx is a very slow non-bouncy rubber. You're better off investing money in coaching.

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It is hard to find less bouncy rubber than the Super FX. Maybe if you go for something tackier you'll get the sense of less bounce, but then you may face different problems. The sponge thickness is very important as well. The blade too
Btw premades are completely different story

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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
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Zverev wrote:
I can see that 729 FX is way more bouncy than my pre-made.


To be honest - if you're talking about European pre-mades (i.e. Donic, Stiga, Schildkrot, etc.) ANYTHING YOU FIND will be faster than those. They're well known for being really slow and heavy. People who are used to them think EVERYTHING is way too fast and reacts too much to spin.

As far as why Baracuda and Rakza 7 get mentioned and the other one (Big Slam?) doesn't, that's simply because there are maybe a dozen or more similar rubbers, all of which will be virtually identical, and mentioning them all will take too long.. :lol:

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Selecting correct equipment does matter, have observed many times people got stuck with wrong gear unwilling to change.
Ruined their game.


Yeah... this usually happens when someone buys a super duper fast carbon blade and slaps Tenergy 05 on it when they're rated about 1000. On the other hand, there are hundreds and thousands of different combinations that will work just fine. They won't all be identical, but they'll be close enough to the ideal that anyone can learn on them and continue using them until they're rated over 2000. The usual advice is to start with a ALL to ALL+ wood blade (insert usual recommendation here.. :lol: ) . Rubbers matter, but not so much - most of them will work just fine (including Tenergy IMO, but also including Corbor).

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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 20 May 2019, 18:02 
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I do not know where to get these rubbers that were mentioned
1) the non-Super FX 729, 2) Yinhe 9000 or 3) Reactor Corbor, Reactor Ckylin
My shop https://tabletennisshop.com.au/ doesn't carry any of those

I guess what I am after is the rubber that will allow me to hit through the ball, the technique I am so well familiar with, rather to brush the ball.


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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 20 May 2019, 18:23 
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Just played 6 sets (first to 21 format)
Played 3 sets with my old pre-made Donic Shildkrot.
Oh what a freedom!
I forgot how it played....
Looping FH and BH, close to table, far from the table, chops and pushes - everything goes in!!!!!
What surprised me (I forgot) was the spin on ground strokes - it's pretty decent as I can put lots of racket head speed in every shot.
And freely, through the ball, without fear.
The only challenge was the serve - really difficult to spin, needed some effort.
Gents immediately picked the "new" racket as the sound was different... they are good, hey..
Won so easy, against the guys I rarely take a game from since 3 months ago after switching to f..g 729 on Defplay.
Ok so after 3 sets, I have switched back to Deflay with 729, a frigging axe, weight wise.
Lost everything... cannot return the bloody serve! With that catapult of a racket.
The gents kindly informed me that I am more dangerous with it as the spin from far of the table is a killer, but I lose the point before the game gets there!!!!!
So, it was very convincing.
This setup will never work for me regardless how many expensive coaches I will employ.
I am thinking I need to dump both, the racket and the rubber.
the racket is generally great - for defensive play though, great quality uniform rebounce, but....
I do not like the weight, not suited for my game, fast agile looping on both sides...
And 729... goes to the bin
------------------------------------------------------Edited 8 days later---------------------------------
729 Super FX didn't go to the bin, it was moved from Defplay to all around wood racket with normal head size.
Things picked up very soon.
729 Super FX works very well for me now on my FH.
I am still thinking to select different rubber for BH, something softer and less tacky but with good throw.
Sounds European, hey? still looking...


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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 20 May 2019, 21:30 
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Wonder if anyone has played with all of these three
Mark V
Sriver FX
Coppa Tagora

These rubbers are also in the list of recommended for first bat/rubber
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2349

Which one has less catapultive effect/less bouncy?

I am kinda leaning towards Sriver FX just based on reading


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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 20 May 2019, 21:42 
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I heard Sriver FX is good when speed glued, been using Mark V and I can assure you it is great.You can't go wrong with either of them as both of them are tested over decades and still remain benchmark standards for table tennis rubbers. No idea about Donic Coppa though. May be choose the cheaper option between Sriver and Mark V if u dont want to splurge

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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
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Zverev wrote:
Won so easy, against the guys I rarely take a game from since 3 months ago after switching to f..g 729 on Defplay.


Defplay?? Sounds like an oversize chopping blade. If so I'm not surprised it's overweight and hard to swing. If you're going to loop, why did you pick this blade??

Ditch the blade, keep the rubbers. If the blade is what I think it is, the rubbers will easily fit a proper attacking blade. Get a Sanwei M8.

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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 21 May 2019, 02:56 
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Zverev wrote:
I do not know where to get these rubbers that were mentioned
1) the non-Super FX 729, 2) Yinhe 9000 or 3) Reactor Corbor, Reactor Ckylin
My shop https://tabletennisshop.com.au/ doesn't carry any of those

I guess what I am after is the rubber that will allow me to hit through the ball, the technique I am so well familiar with, rather to brush the ball.


Um... Here.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2x-Gala ... 53505.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origina ... 91794.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2x-Reac ... 12656.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origina ... 75581.html

(Trust me, you don't want Ckylin. :lol: )

You pays your money, you takes your choice, as they say. The main drawback is the 3 week wait for the package to arrive.

And if you want an amazing blade to replace your Defplay, try this one:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SANWEI- ... 84830.html

Not sure who's telling you to brush the ball, that's not something people do much of any more (watch any of the high end players on YouTube), and then only when opening up against backspin, and many times not even then. A proper fast loop does involve a thin contact (and very high racket speed) but that's not something you learn at the beginning anyhow. Any of these rubbers (AND your 729 Super FX, AND Srive and Mark V) work fine with regular topspin drives (where you drive through the ball with a closed racket face).

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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 21 May 2019, 03:15 
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If you want to buy locally (I went and had a look)..

For a slow-ish Chinese sheet, there's LKT Pro XT:

https://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.ph ... ucts_id=70

and if you want something similar to Mark V/Sriver/Menudo (er, I mean Mendo)/Coppa, but costs about $10 less, there's Xiom Musa:

https://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.ph ... ts_id=1199

There's also a Musa III, for a few more dollars.

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ChasFox wrote:
Try to work on a softer touch perhaps with looser grip and more open blade in the short game.


The best piece of advice offered in this thread. It's all about touch (and grip.. as in gripping the handle) and a rubber will only make it easier but will not fix the actual issue which comes down to technique.


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iskandar taib wrote:
Zverev wrote:
Won so easy, against the guys I rarely take a game from since 3 months ago after switching to f..g 729 on Defplay.

Defplay?? Sounds like an oversize chopping blade. If so I'm not surprised it's overweight and hard to swing. If you're going to loop, why did you pick this blade??
Ditch the blade, keep the rubbers. If the blade is what I think it is, the rubbers will easily fit a proper attacking blade. Get a Sanwei M8.
Iskandar


I wanted to get control blade.
I knew before hand that it's got bigger head but didn't realise it would add that much weight - lack of experience and no one to advise.

Sanwei M8? again, the shop doesn't carry
How does Sanwei M8 compare to Appelgren Allplay I was thinking of?


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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 21 May 2019, 08:46 
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iskandar taib wrote:
If you want to buy locally (I went and had a look)..
For a slow-ish Chinese sheet, there's LKT Pro XT:
https://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.ph ... ucts_id=70
and if you want something similar to Mark V/Sriver/Menudo (er, I mean Mendo)/Coppa, but costs about $10 less, there's Xiom Musa:
https://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.ph ... ts_id=1199
There's also a Musa III, for a few more dollars.
Iskandar


The shop doesn't class LKT rubber into any category...wonder why, I guess they just don't know

I will Musa rubbers in the list, I have noticed that the shop only carry them in Max, which of course aligns with your recommendations on thicker sponge....
And Musa 1 - they only have red rubber

The price gets me into vicinity of Mark V - a safe bet IMO


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 Post subject: Re: Not bouncy rubbers
PostPosted: 21 May 2019, 08:53 
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mart1nandersson wrote:
ChasFox wrote:
Try to work on a softer touch perhaps with looser grip and more open blade in the short game.

The best piece of advice offered in this thread. It's all about touch (and grip.. as in gripping the handle) and a rubber will only make it easier but will not fix the actual issue which comes down to technique.

It's just an advice and it's far from best in the thread discussing equipment.
And some equipment is simply too much to handle for beginner player, too bigger jump which could lead to development of wrong techniques and slow progress.
Slow evolution is often a better option.


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