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Butterfly World June 07 wrote:
Coaches often think that it is better for new beginners to start with relatively thin rubbers
(1,5-1,7mm) so that they get better control and have more feeling for the ball. Others
maintain that talented new beginners should start very soon with thicker rubbers (1,9-
2,1mm). What is your opinion?

Schlager wrote:
Start straight away with thicker rubbers but glue less or not at all. A change of
bat (thickness/-model, blade) demands completely new adaptation to the
movements. You should not demand that only seldom of a player



My coach is of the same opinion, however I've got one-and-a-bit feet in the former camp. Can you really generalize this for all beginners, as I definitely know some beginners who shouldn't be using max rubbers (The most popular rubber up here is Tango max).

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I dont find thickness matters much as long as you get it right at the start. Defenders should use 1.9 or under. Attackers 1.9 or above. This is the general rule, but can be changed to whatever suits your needs.

What is the most crucial to me is the hardness of the rubber. A lot of beginners tend to use Tango Max which is fairly fast but extremely soft. The soft sponge and topsheet compensates for alot of miss hits and hides bad techniques. Also once they progress to more advanced stages, they find that their technique is flawed and the speed of the soft rubbers is holding them back.


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I agree Sil... 2.0 (or less) is normally more suitable for most beginners...

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Tango 1.5 plays similar to many other rubbers in 2.0

It is slightly faster and a lot spinnier than unglued Mark V, Sriver EL, Magna, & Sigma. As an added bonus the underspin from chops is far more disturbing.

My level instantly went up by changing- I used to have off againg/on again trouble f/h looping, but the problem seemed to vanish once I changed.

Am I hiding poor technique? Probably. One day I'll drive to Sydney (4 hours) and get some coaching, but in the mean time...

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Yeah the thin sponged Tangos are a whole new animal. I have used the Tango def 1.2mm in the past, and I could loop quite well with minimal changes in my stroke, and the chopping capabilities were devastating. I really should go back to it, but it is so expensive in the US.

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Silver wrote:
Now this is interesting...

Butterfly World June 07 wrote:
Coaches often think that it is better for new beginners to start with relatively thin rubbers
(1,5-1,7mm) so that they get better control and have more feeling for the ball. Others
maintain that talented new beginners should start very soon with thicker rubbers (1,9-
2,1mm). What is your opinion?

Schlager wrote:
Start straight away with thicker rubbers but glue less or not at all. A change of
bat (thickness/-model, blade) demands completely new adaptation to the
movements. You should not demand that only seldom of a player



My coach is of the same opinion, however I've got one-and-a-bit feet in the former camp. Can you really generalize this for all beginners, as I definitely know some beginners who shouldn't be using max rubbers (The most popular rubber up here is Tango max).


I think it all depends on whether the player is getting proper coaching. If they are learning their strokes correctly from the start (as is probably the case at the clubs Schlager frequents) I think that it's fine to start with thicker rubbers and faster blades. Cheng Yinghua, one of the top players and coaches in the U.S. and former practice partner to Jiang Jialiang and Chen Longcan is of the same opinion, but most of his students start out learning strokes correctly from him and don't have lots of bad habits they need to break.

However, if like many players the beginner is self-taught, has no coaching and mostly plays games rather than doing practice and drills, then it's a much better idea to start with thinner rubbers and a slow blade as the faster and spinnier blades and rubbers will magnify their poor strokes.

I think this is particularly the case with beginners who played for years in their basements against their friends with pre-assembled paddles, or pips out no sponge hardbat or sandpaper. They often have lots of bad habits they need to overcome before they can even land the ball on the table with a standard speed blade and 2.0 or greater thickness rubbers.

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