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I want a LP that can chop just like Curl P1r and get as much spin reversal like Globe 979. Thanks!!

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Really cant happen, most pips that are good for reversal are hard and slippery and very bend-able. This is what gives "the reversal." Also sponge is very thin or not used. Finally a hard blade works best to get the ball "reversed" as quickly as possible.

Contrast this to a deep chopping pip like Curl PR-1 or Feint Long 2 or 3. The pips are grippy-the sides of the pips are grippy. In some cases, (Feint Long 3 being the best example) the pips can generate their own spin even against a stopped/dead ball!

Any long pips will handle a spinney slow loop by brushing with the pips-the real test is what do you do with the loop drive. For those using a specialized chopping rig, they can execute the rip chop with long pips-probably the most important defensive shot in all table tennis. When you use frictionless-you are going to get float-not what you want...

So to answer what you want probably does not exist,

Ian

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I completely agree with Ian here. You can, however, choose a pip that find itself somewhere in the middle of the two. e.g. Dtecs in OX is something like that: it chops (read: manipulates spin) really good and it reverses also. But it will never reverse like a frictionless pip and it will never chop like a P1-R.

Isn't the Globe 979 already a midway pip? I heard it chops really good and it can reverse some spin.

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I am sure that there is a jack of all trades (which I think would be Stiga Destroyer) that does many things well-even hit! I have heard Dtecs and Giant Dragon Talon and National Pogo.

I think it is also correct to bring up "style." If you are wanting a tricky reversal game, and there is nothing wrong with a tricky reversal game, then you want to "build a rig" that does this well.

If you want to emulate the pro's then that is a very different idea completely. It really does come down to what you want to do with the loop drive. Someone looking for a tricky reversal game will block this shot and want to place the ball short and with some fairly heavy chop and wobble. A pro type game wants to be able to drift off the table and execute the rip chop.

Here's Ruwen Filus : (starts about 1 minute mark with really good rip chops) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h56rc65o3f8

Here 's Panagiotis Gionis:(at about 1:40 here really starts ripping them) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVeG78Smc0g

This is what you get with the rip chop, but are you a good enough athlete to handle what is coming at you. That's why a good number of people pick the spin reversal table game-they may not have "the wheels" to drift off the table and play that game. On the other hand if you don't have the fast reflexes to block the ball at the table, you better put some distance between you and your opponent...

Long pips is not a catch all for all long pips type games-they vary...widely...Hope this helps..

Ian

Ian

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For a classic pips I can say that the 1615 you are using has very good spin reversal potential.
Just spin the ball, twiddle and bounce it onto the 1615 and you can see that the spin is continued even tho hindered a little.

Other mentionable pips with awesome reversal:
Palio CK531A (Smooth tips)
Grass D.TecS (Ribbed tips, very wide and large pips)

Thats all I know hope this helps

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From what I experienced, the Globe 979 (OX) chops safe and easy, but it isn't very dangerous. Spin reversal is rather moderate. Reversal with Palio CK 531A is a lot higher. Chopping as well as close2table play results in more disturbing & backspin balls. Globe is excellent for attacking and creates a lot of speed when attacking. Palio is also easy for attacking, but it's less punchy (attacks are returned easier). Of course the blade's hardness & speed play an important role too.

Pipsy

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Coach Li: Kill the game against long pimps! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHNaiIhnWM

I think Spin Lord Zeitgeist is a good rubber for chopping and spin reversal. In addition to that one can topspin and hit the ball with this rubber. Note that one needs to find a suitable blade for this rubber as it is the case for all pimple rubbers.

Totally agree. With unmatched blade , Zeitgeist won't give you anything. With right blade (such as Dr.Neubauer Kungfu / Sanwei J-9) , it 's wonderful.

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So its no good with the Gergely then PL?

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My vote (0x) : Tibhar Grass D-Tecs, Donic Piranja FD Tec and Palio CK 531A

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Reb, I think that Gergely may be too fast for this rubber. Only way to find is try on a fast blade; but it may turn out be an expensive experiment.

I am using it on an all round blade. Rubber provides good feel and control. There appears to be a lot of backspin which gives a trouble to an opponent. It is also easier to top spin the ball with Zeitgeist. Rubber is made of a good material.