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I know most of the local clubs follow the ITTF rules in every respect, however most clubs matches and venues don't actually meet ITTF requirement, for example:
1. umpiring - it would be rare to have an official umpire, and no training is given to unofficial umpires (like team mates)
2. Lighting - it's often very poor
3. Court size - it commonly much to small with inferior flooring and boundaries.
4. Testing equipment - not available

I know the clubs really have no choice, as there are no alternate sets of rules available, but it can seem a little rich sometimes when they follow the rules to the letter, when the conditions that we play under are not even close.

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Haggisv, you bring up valid points that have been discussed from time to time. Round Robin is likely the most like-minded as you in this matter.

You are so right, why does everyone have to follow rules to the letter while applying ZERO prinicple to the spirit, intent, and intended result of the rule. Why make a big deal if the rubber where one places his finger is discolored from skin oil if the floor is slippery enough to make you do the ballerina split every two steps?

It seems few, if any tourney directors try to "Keep it Real" Round Robin seems to and that is refreshing.

When does any TT tourney have the proper Geflor or other authorized flooring?

When does any TT tourney have the full separated courts and proper court dimensions?

When does any TT tourney have even 1/4 the proper light?

When does any TT tourney have the Enez? Why do officials try to disqualify equipment without proper test equipment?

When does any TT tourney have ANY umpires or at least a certified umpire for each match? Why not? We pay big money for a tourney.

When does any TT tourney have conditions free of disturbing sounds and events every several seconds?

When does any TT tourney have the properr personnel present, like a referee, two scorekeepers, etc...?

When does any TT tourney have XXXXXX or YYYYYYY?

All these are great questions Haggisv. Based on this, we should declare all results of all tourneys not complying with the ITTF standards void and invalid. We should permanantly place vice-grip clamps on the private parts of the directors of every national association directing officer htat is not in complience, until such time complience is fully satisfied.

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We have inadequate space, bad lighting, tile floors, low ceilings, no umpires, no surrounds, t-shirts (no uniforms), clipboards (no scoreboards), nowhere to put our towels (we just drape them of the under-carriage of the table), and of course, we usually play with used balls.

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we all just pay $50.00 everytime we play to pay for everything, all fixed

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I think you miss my point... I don't have a problem with current conditions and facilities, and appreciate that it would cost a lot more to bring them up to scratch (which most would not be wiling to pay)... I just have an issue with some officials that push some of the rules on players to the letter, while their own requirements don't even come close to meeting ITTF requirements.
Der_Echte and MNNB's give perfect examples of this!

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So whats your solution, To answer why not is not any solution its saying facts, and the facts are in general facilities need to be bigger , better flooring, better lighting we need volunteers to become Umpires more volunteers to become referees, more administrators and committee's to fundraise , We may have to pay more money

The clubs don't have to obey any ITTF rules but do because 40% is better than no organised rules and facility

also what if any clubs obey all the rules anyway most don't care if your rubber is a bit munted on the edges, social players can wear a hat and baggies and a white t-shirt , small financial sports just do what they can and that's the real fact

most clubs I play at have barriers, volunteer or nominated umpires (score keepers) and have decent room

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The solution is that officials should lighten up, and not get so fussy about the letter of the law, but rather look at the intent/spirit of the laws. We've had officials giving players a hard time for a tiny bit of wood showing on their bat (due to minor damage from hitting the table), or a slight overhang on one side due to poor cutting with scissors... I can go on with many examples. None of these significantly affect the game, gives them no advantage, yet to like to come down hard on them and demand they rectify it before player, because "those are the rules".

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I was at the ITTF world jnrs and cadets last month, the ref told a few kids to get a red or black marker and colour in the chips, i thought was fantastic actually
But I agree with your comment about some officials as we don't have enough players anyway so they shouldn't be so strict

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Yes that is exactly the spirit I'd like to see! This way they make them aware of the rule (for next time) and help them fix it in a way where it does not really affect the game.

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I really think that some deviation (up to perhaps 5 mm size) due to chipping, normal wear, and poor cutting, must be accepted. After all, the purpose of covering the entire blade but not overhanging is that the entire playing surface be uniform. Marginal deviations cannot constitute an "alternate playing surface".

For coloration, the purpose is that the opponent be able to determine which side of the bat is used. Slight chipping does not change the general colour of a bat face. If full colour coverage is so important, we have to make those red and black markers a part of the standard equipment for umpires.

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Our local comp plays a home & away system, so is at the mercy of the various clubs' venues for lighting, ceiling height, flooring, whether there are surrounds for each table etc. We play where we can. The opposing captains are jointly the referee. Occasionally the player umpiring will call a let & explain a problem with a particular serve. It seems that it is a tacit no-no to fault a dodgy serve. This doesn't help when your team consistes of a state umpire, international referee & state secretary The ITTF rules are followed with exceptions that are listed on the local association's web site or on the draw sheet: no expedite, no timeouts, rules regarding full or partial forfeits for no show, time limits for finishing at particular clubs, off the top of my head.

As far as local tournaments go, both main venues have reasonably good conditions re lighting, ceiling, lighting, surrounds. As far as officials are concerned, referees & umpires are charged for by the local Umpire's association (which then recompenses them, sometimes at a loss) to the organization holding the tournament. It is up to the organizer to request umpires. Unfortunately both officials are recompensed with petrol money & occasionally meal vouchers. It is very much a voluntary thing for an accredited umpire to turn up to a tournament specifically to umpire & not play or coach or parent. Even the AOQT & OOQT paid only meal vouchers (& kudos of course), and hence had some state level umpires officating, not all national (for the AOQT) or international (for the OOQT).

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I just wish someone would enforce the serving rules.

 

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+1 i hate when peopel serve out of their hands( this happens in DIv 4 and even premier Div !!!!

it jsut riles me up when some one serves out of their hand and i usualy loose cos i loose the plot

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In our local scenario, serving rules is the most abused rule. There is an unwritten rule that you can not call service fault during crucial times.
Lighting is also a never ending issue.. Oh I need glasses

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yes I think it's right to call the serve when it's a blatant fault, but not when it's simply not thrown high or straight enough, where the server does not really get any advantage anyway.

A warning or a gentle reminder, for the benefit of the player (in case they play tournaments), is all that's needed for local competition IMO.

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