OOAK Table Tennis Forum

I was chatting to a friend who told me about these different types of short/medium pimples, which I wasn't really aware of.

He said that

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide

I guess the uncooked pips are the ones that can take the pace off the ball more and would probably have more control.

_________________
I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
Aussie Table Tennis Shop / Aussie Table Tennis Facebook Page / Equipment Review Index / Read my Reb Report Blog: click here.

I read about this on mytt.net long time ago, thread is here
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_po ... pinny-pips

The chinese does make distinction between 'cooked' and 'raw' pips. The 'cooked' pips tend to be a bit harder, whereas the 'raw' pips are softer. An example of a 'raw' rubber is the sole of most table tennis shoes.

In general, most 'cooked' pips are short pips and most 'raw' pips are medium pips. Of course, there are exception.

'Cooked' pips rubbers: RITC 802, DSH 651, Dawei 388B, Globe 889, TSP Spinpips ...etc. 'Raw' pips rubbers: RITC 799 / 563, DSH Sharping, Dawei 388C, Globe 888, TSP Spectol ...etc.

'Cooked' pips plays close to inverted because it can generate spin easier. 'Raw' pips generate less spin and it is quite deceiving but not as much as LP. The other advantage of 'raw' pips is that it can hit with incredible speed. The disadvantage of 'raw' pips is that it is more difficult to control than 'cooked' pips. But, once you can master the technique, it can be a deadly weapon. Example of some female players who use 'raw' pips on their bh: Jiang Huajun, Cao Zhen, Wang Yue Gu and Dang Ye Seo. Male player is Tang Peng.

_________________
Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

Is stir-frying a good method? I figure stir-frying with olive oil would also revitalize the rubber.

*facepalm*

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I love a good stir-fry.

_________________
Happy Holidays 'round the world!

I want mine over-easy, medium cooked please.

I think a lot of what we call "mid-pips" are "raw".

Thanks Elvis56 (or should I say your majesty ?), very informative!

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide

I must admit when I first read this thread title, I thought Haggisv's gone loopy posting his microwave experiments in this SP section. Turns out its more informative than I realised and while I'm sure Haggisv is still loopy, its got more to do with his rubbers than his faculties

_________________
I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
Aussie Table Tennis Shop / Aussie Table Tennis Facebook Page / Equipment Review Index / Read my Reb Report Blog: click here.

LOL... thank Reb ( I think )

This talk about cooking the rubbers also reminds me of Armstrong, who claim to cook their rubbers (inverted as well as pips) much longer than other manufacturers, which is why they claim their rubbers have more grip.

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide

I wonder if the "cooking" refers to the degree or type of vulcanization employed?

_________________
Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com
Hardbat: Nittaku Resist & Dr. Evil

I thought the same, but now that I think about it some SP rubbers are much harder and less compliant than others and this may be why. Interesting, and since it is done by the manufacturer it is totally legal.

I thought he was more of a chop-blocker. CSTT is loopy, right?

_________________
Happy Holidays 'round the world!

hello i have short pips called stiga clippa and wondering are these cooked? also im wondering whether are all newer short pips now like the blowfish butterfly raystorm etc are all cooked as cooked creates more spin?

another question is vertical and horizontal placement? which placement is better for spin and also how do i find out which mine has? none of this info is mentioned when i bought mine

thanks!

I dont know what you guys do with your pips but I certainly dont cook mine.

_________________
Xiom Zetro Quad
FH: Tibhar 1Q XD
BH: Yasaka MarkV XS

Let me share my observations about cooked and raw pips. I'm two-winged SP/MP player and switch them from time to time.
Raw pips have soft elastic top-sheet, cooked- hard, much less elastic top-sheet. The degree of elasticity determines difference in their playing characteristics.
Raw pips can be deformed by the ball due to their elasticy. Cooked pips can hardly be deformed.
Cooked pips has more surface grip than raw ones. But with raw pips you can get additional grip when the ball digged inside pips because of elasticy. The elasticity of raw pips make additional impact on rebound speed. Also raw pips have more dwell time.
The behavior of cooked pips on high and low impact shots is quite similar. I'd define them as more reliable and stable. This stability gives you more control.
With raw pips you can place short or on contary give extra kick, manipulate spin more. So you have more gears and options for your shots. However they are more demanding and sometimes these gears can play against you in critical situations. For example, blocking really heavy loops with raw pips is much harder.

_________________
Setup 1: custom 7ply blade FH: 729 Legend 105 BH: 729 563
Setup 2: custom 7ply blade FH: 729 Dr Evil BH: 729 Dr Evil

Excellent post Alx

_________________
OOAK Table Tennis Shop | Re-Impact Blades | Butterfly Table Tennis bats
Setup1: Re-Impact Smart, Viper OX, Victas VS 401 Setup2: Re-Impact Barath, Dtecs OX, TSP Triple Spin Chop 1.0mm Setup3: Re-Impact Dark Knight, Hellfire OX, 999 Turbo
Recent Articles: Butterfly Tenergy Alternatives | Tenergy Rubbers Compared | Re-Impact User Guide