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Project: Thin Inverted "Chopping" rubbers

EDIT: I have updated the list to a grid similar to the player equipment spreadsheet. Please send me any new submissions, updates, corrections.

Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Background: Due to my long time search for a thin inverted chopping rubber for my forehand, I decided to start a thread where we compile a list of such rubbers suitable for chopping all in one place. Such a list would have been tremendously helpful to me. I realize that many offensive and conventional attacking rubbers are able to be used for chopping (I currently use Omega IV Asia to great effect for chopping on my Modern Defensive setup), but I want to list specialized defensive smooth rubbers in this thread. Chime in with all you have used, and maybe a mini review, and I will update the original post with the rubbers mentioned.

Criteria:
Available from the factory at less than 1.8mm or less sponge (Can be available for more than that, but must be 1.8 or less to be listed here, and preferably defensive in nature).
Good for chopping either BH or FH

Format:
-Name:
-Sponge sizes:
-Review: (Can be link to thread or video)
-Comments: (Your experience, do any pros use it, where to buy, etc)
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Butterfly Tackiness Chop
-Sponge sizes: 1.1/1.3/1.5/1.7mm
-Review:
-Comments:

Butterfly Tackiness Chop 2
-Sponge sizes: 1.1/1.3/1.5/1.7mm
-Review:
-Comments: (Bego) also in 1.9 mm. Tested on Butterfly Defence Alpha, at 1.1 mm, 1.7 mm, 1.9 mm. This is my favourite rubber for chop and block play. I need to chop flat due to very perceptible to spin. The return is a very flat chopped ball that stay low. I prefer this than original Tackiness Chop.

Butterfly Tackiness Drive
-Sponge sizes: 1.1/1.3/1.5/1.7mm
-Review:
-Comments:

Butterfly Tenergy 05
-Sponge sizes: 1.7mm
-Review:
-Comments: (Japsican) Very good at chopping and still provides great attacking possibilities. Great at serves. Joanna Parker (Now Joanna Drinkhall) uses Tenergy 05 on both sides of a VKM, 1.7mm on the BH and 1.9mm on the FH. Wicked spin...watch the high throw angle on chops. US Peeps, this is NOW available in the US at tabletennisstore.us!!!

CTT National Strike
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

DHS TNT
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Donic Akkadi Taichi
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Donic Desto F3
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Donic Quattro A'Conda Soft
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Donic Slice 40
-Sponge sizes:1.2/1.5mm
-Review:
-Comments:

Donic Slice 40 CD
-Sponge sizes:1.2/1.5mm
-Review:
-Comments:

Friendship/729 40S
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Friendship/729 Focus 1
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Friendship/729 Focus 3
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Friendship/729 FX EL Super Soft
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Friendship/729 Sky Wing
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Friendship 729 Super FX-C (C for Control) (available at zeropong.com)
-Sponge Sizes: 1.0/1.5mm
-Review:
-Comments: (Glenholder) This rubber is the slowest of the 729's. It has a lower throw angle than the other 729's, but I would still call it a medium throw. I have glued at least 8 sheets of this, recommending it to others. It is a very accurate chopper, the 1.0 has the best control. It's still faster than Reflectoid, and a bit spinnier than Reflectoid too. Excellent chopper! With still enough pop to put away a point. It would not be used by a level 2000 player, more like 1500 and under. Also available in 2.0mm if you must.

Gambler Reflectoid
-Sponge sizes: 1.0/1.5
-Review:
-Comments: One of the best, especially for the price. Slow, great at blocks, stellar for chopping. I personally felt 1.0 to be a bit too "hard" (only adjective I could think of. 1.5mm is the best for this rubber. 2.0mm blocks the best IMO, but not as good at chopping. The rubber isn't spinny enough on serves IMO.

Giant Dragon Submarine
-Sponge Sizes: 1.0/1.5
-Review: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=14592
-Comments: (Japsican) Chinese tacky rubber, very good at chopping. Better at attacking than Reflectoid, as it doesn't bottom out. Not as good at blocking. Pushes vs. underspin were not spinny and my opponents were able to attack them easily.

Juic 999 Elite Defense
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

KTL (LKT) Pro XP 1.5/)
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments: (Bego) Comes in 2.0 also. Beginner friendly

KTL (LKT) Rapid Power
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

KTL (LKT) Rapid Soft
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Nittaku Moristo DF
-Sponge sizes: ?
-Review:
-Comments: (Knuckle Ball) on an OFF, OFF- or ALL blade gives me incredible spin on chops and pushes. I have yet to see a rubber with more desirable combination spin and control for my BH.

Nittaku Nodias
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Palio CJ8000 Biotech 39-41°
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

SpinLord Marder
-Sponge sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Stiga Chop and Drive
-Sponge Sizes: 1.1mm/1.5mm/1.8mm
-Review:
-Comments: Stiga Chop & Drive: (Glennholder) A very high quality topsheet. I played with 1.1mm red. A very accurate rubber.
10% slower than Reflectoid, but a bit spinnier. A bit softer than Reflectiod.
Same speed as Tackiness Chop, but a bit less spinny. A bit harder than Tackiness Chop, but still softer than almost any other chopping rubber.
This slow rubber is very good for flat smashing against spinny loops. Even thought this rubber is very spinny, you can hammer against loops with accurate wide angle hits.


Tibhar Rookie D.TecS
-Sponge Sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Tibhar Super 40 Defense
-Sponge Sizes: 0.5/0.9/1.3/1.5/1.7mm
-Review:
-Comments:

Tibhar Super 40 Defense soft
-Sponge Sizes: 1.3/1.6mm
-Review:
-Comments:

TSP Triple Spin Chop
-Sponge sizes: 1.0~1.3mm only (It's a range)
-Review: http://tabletennis-reviews.com/tsp-trip ... ge-review/
-Comments: Evgueni Chtchetinine uses on the FH. Slightly tacky, very soft sponge.

Tuttle World No.1
-Sponge Sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

Victas VS>401
-Sponge sizes: 1.5mm
-Review: http://tabletennis-reviews.com/victas-v ... -defenders
-Comments: Also available in 1.8mm and 2.0mm. Said to be a bit heavy.

Xiom Musa
-Sponge Sizes:
-Review:
-Comments:

XIOM YANUS DF
-Sponge Sizes: 1.5
-Review: http://tabletennis-reviews.com/victas-v ... -defenders
-Comments: Tensor Also available in 2.0mm.

Yasaka Mark V
-Sponge Sizes: 1.0/1.5mm
-Review:
-Comments:

Yasaka Mark V GPS
-Sponge Sizes: (Cannot verify this comes in thin rubber)
-Review:
-Comments:

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A good idea!

Here are a few more

Tibhar Super 40 Defense
Sponge Sizes: 0.5, 0.9, 1.3, 1.5, 1.7, 1.9mm

Tibhar Super 40 Defense soft
Sponge Sizes: 1.3, 1.6mm

Victas VS>401
Sponge sizes: 1.5mm, 1.8mm, 2.0mm
Review: http://tabletennis-reviews.com/victas-v ... -defenders

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Thanks Alex! Altered the format a little to make perusing the list easier. After it grows I'll alphabetize it as well.

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A real nice inverted chopping rubber is:

Friendship 729 Super FX-C (C for Control) (available at zeropong.com)

1.0mm
1.5mm
2.0mm

This rubber is the slowest of the 729's. It has a lower throw angle than the other 729's, but I would still call it a medium throw. I have glued at least 8 sheets of this, recommending it to others. It is a very accurate chopper, the 1.0 has the best control. It's still faster than Reflectoid, and a bit spinnier than Reflectoid too. Excellent chopper! With still enough pop to put away a point. It would not be used by a level 2000 player, more like 1500 and under.

XIOM YANUS DF
Thickness 1.5, 2.0mm

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2 more I just thought of..

Giant Dragon Submarine
LKT Pro

I haven't used it, but remembered
Stiga Chop and Drive

Question guys, should I alphabetize by manufacturer, or by the name of the rubber? So far they are one in the same...but moving forward I'll have to choose.

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Added! Thanks. Keep them coming Glennholder, as I know you've chopped with everything!

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Yasaka MK V in 1.0mm is a very effective chopping rubber.

Aren't some of the suggestions a bit too thick to meet the spirit of the title ?

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Timo Boll ALC ST
FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P Max
BH Tibhar Evolution FX-S 1.8
185g

Yes, but i qualified that above. I said it must be available in less than 1.8mm but can be available in thicker sponges. At first, I also didn't want the list to make it appear as if some of the sponges sizes aren't available. I tend to think you're right tho, we should limit the list to ONLY show sizes for anything less than 1.8, and if larger sizes are chop-worthy maybe list them in the comments only.

EDIT:
There I changed the list to only include the thin sizes, but mentioned the larger sizes in the comments area.

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...and that's what happens when you don't read properly......bad Keith, apologies Japsican.

This list will be a good resource as it grows, nice initiative.

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Timo Boll ALC ST
FH Tibhar Evolution MX-P Max
BH Tibhar Evolution FX-S 1.8
185g

Thanks Japsican, HaggisV, and Everyone here!

Feel free to use and update my own list here,

These are rubbers that more or lest, imho, good for chopping.

I don't enter the thickness list yet (in a hurry, sorry), so I will add one by one later.

I will add comment one by one only for rubbers that I ever used long enough, like a month or more.

Blocker chopper class rubber, that good for chopping, but can be used for passive blocking play close the table due to medium soft sponge.

Andro Backside 2.0D
Butterfly Tackifire C Soft
Butterfly Tackiness Chop (1.1, 1.3, 1.7, 1.9)
Butterfly Tackiness Chop 2 (My favourite ever!, 1.1, 1.3, 1.5, 1.7, 1.9)
Butterfly Tackiness Drive (1.1, 1.3, 1.5, 1.7, 1.9)
CTT National Strike
DHS PF4-1
DHS TNT
Donic Akkadi Taichi
Donic Desto F3
Donic Quattro A'Conda Soft
Donic Slice 40 (1.2, 1.5)
Friendship/729 40S
Friendship/729 Focus 1
Friendship/729 Focus 3
Friendship/729 FX EL Super Soft
Friendship/729 Sky Wing
Gambler Reflectoid
Giant Dragon Submarine
Juic 999 Elite Defense
KTL (LKT) Pro XP (1.5, 2.0, beginner friendly)
KTL (LKT) Rapid Power
KTL (LKT) Rapid Soft
Nittaku Nodias
Palio CJ8000 Biotech 39-41°
SpinLord Marder
Stiga Chop & Drive
Stiga Drive
Tibhar Rookie D.TecS
Tibhar Super 40 Defense
Tuttle World No.1
Xiom Musa
Yasaka Mark V GPS

Chopper Class Rubber, need a rather horizontal chop due to very heavy friction. Think inverted brush loop. For some reason Chinese defender love these.

Butterfly Tackifire C
Butterfly Yuki
CTT National Hero
Dawei Sprungfeder G3 A2
DHS G555
DHS G666
DHS G777
DHS G888
DHS Hurricane 3 (No. 19 Sponge) (1.5, 2.0)
DHS PF4
DHS Skyline TG2
Friendship/729 General (Cross sponge)
Friendship/729 GeoSpin Tacky (2.0)
Friendship/729 Origin (2.0)
Friendship/729 SP Transcend
Friendship/729 Super FX
Galaxy Apollo
Galaxy Apollo III
Galaxy Earth
Gambler Four Kings
GKI Euro Jumbo
Globe 999
Haifu Blue Whale III (3) (Tuned)
Kokutaku BLutenkirsche 868 Tokyo Super Tacky Japanese
Palio CJ8000 2-Side Loop
Palio Emperor Dragon
Reactor Corbor
Stiga China Extreme
Stiga Neos Tacky
Tibhar Dang
Tibhar Legend Destroyer
Tibhar Speedy Spin

I omit my third class, rubber that good for chopping but also have enough power for aggressive looping, cause that kind rubber shall be castrated by 1.8 mm rule.

Not at all, I appreciate the feedback and incorporated your thoughts by reformatting the original post!

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WOW! Impressive list! Was this posted somewhere? Can I assume that everything above is available in thickness lower than 1.8mm?
Added to the original post. Thanks! Please let me know of some of the sizes, and if you have comments or a link to a review of the rubber.

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That my own personal database, and I get the data from various sources, ttdb, old ttr, denis, ttd, ooak, etc.

How them is classified is by my own.

Most of them afaik available below 1.8, except a few that I put in due to being popular with defenders, e.g., PF 4 and Origin afaik not available < 2.0.

I need to double check the available thickness before put it here, so I shall add it one by one later

The whole original db is much larger actually.

Imperial China (classic), yasaka new era and meteor 813 yellow sponge come to mind.

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