OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 28 Mar 2024, 18:11


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: 11 Mar 2016, 09:32 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 04 Dec 2012, 01:32
Posts: 237
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia
Has thanked: 13 times
Been thanked: 17 times
http://youtu.be/4SScURX2Lls

you gotta love this guy!


Top
 Profile  
 

PostPosted: 11 Mar 2016, 12:29 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 11 Dec 2010, 13:39
Posts: 1370
Location: Canada
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 66 times
Blade: Butterfly Timo Boll OFF
FH: Friendship 802-40 2.4mm
BH: Dawei388C-1 Medium pip ox
This guy certainly has a nice stroke. Of course we all know this as a RPB. Reverse Penhold Backhand.

Wikipedia explains that Liu Guoliang is the forerunner of this stroke. Ma Lin made it even more famous.

I have fallen victim to quite a few of these topspin/sidespin strokes! As most of us have!!

Thanks for the video!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Mar 2016, 12:32 
Offline
Cho Tokusen

Joined: 08 Jul 2007, 12:01
Posts: 982
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 3 times
Nice video ! Too bad I cannot do it because additional rubber for rpb means more weight. My arm started to feel uneasy already at 120 grams :(

_________________
Expert II crwi C-Pen
Red Acuda P1


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 02:06 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10671
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1384 times
First time I ever saw someone do this was in 1980 or 81 in a dorm basement! There was a player from Japan, he had problems rotating his elbow to do the traditional penhold backhand topspin drive because he'd been injured in a car accident, so he put another sheet of Sriver on the backhand of his blade. To reduce weight he cut the blade down (made it smaller).

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 21:24 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 04 Dec 2012, 01:32
Posts: 237
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia
Has thanked: 13 times
Been thanked: 17 times
I like his jpen rpb
Rarely see it. Never in the pros. Was told not to put rubbers on the backsides of my hinoki blades but since the don't have carbon they'd be plenty light. And they're one ply. I have a bad thumb so the index finger would be good support. He's using a nittaku. I think it's the one with cork on both sides of the grip. Not overly expensive. I think.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 13 Mar 2016, 03:22 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5293
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 214 times
Blade: Donic Persson Power Play
FH: Donic Bluestorm Z3
BH: Tibhar Aurus Soft
God save teh QUEEN !!! :D

_________________
Goof-off chopping bat
Gambler All Rosewood
Aurus Soft / Gambler GXL .6 sponge

Status - Out of Business Janitor/Babysitter


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2016, 01:34 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10671
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1384 times
Butterfly does/did sell a Japanese penhold blade made to take two rubber sheets, the first appeared about the same time Curl did and was called the Rotor. You weren't supposed to use it for RPB, it was meant for twiddling. Since long pips without sponge or with thin sponge is pretty light, the weight problem isn't so bad.

Japanese penhold blades are heavy - hinoki itself isn't, but these blades (the 1 ply ones) are 9-11mm thick. Putting another sheet of inverted on the back will definitely cause the weight to be way over what most people would consider ideal. You could make a thinner/lighter blade, of course, not sure how it'd play. Using balsa for the grip rather than cork would save weight, but I don't know what it'd do to the balance.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2016, 11:55 
Offline
Cho Tokusen

Joined: 08 Jul 2007, 12:01
Posts: 982
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 3 times
Actually I have Nittaku Violin J-pen for twiddling with a weight of 70 grams, but with two rubbers it will definitely exceed 120 grams.

_________________
Expert II crwi C-Pen
Red Acuda P1


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2016, 12:31 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5293
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 214 times
Blade: Donic Persson Power Play
FH: Donic Bluestorm Z3
BH: Tibhar Aurus Soft
If it makes anyone happy, my Korean Pastor asked me to make a J-Pen setup for him and I got him a 2 sided J-pen, the Galaxy 989.

In the Chinese club nearest where I live, Wade Sun 2100-2200 USATT level is a 2 sided J-Pen user and calls J-Penners who switched to Shakehand "Traitors"

I luv 'em all, J-Penners, LPers TT is a fun sport.

_________________
Goof-off chopping bat
Gambler All Rosewood
Aurus Soft / Gambler GXL .6 sponge

Status - Out of Business Janitor/Babysitter


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Mar 2016, 00:32 
Offline
Senior member

Joined: 23 Apr 2013, 01:41
Posts: 102
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 4 times
I tried RPB on a 1-ply hinoki JPen and as alluded to here, it makes the blade too heavy and unbalanced.
After the practice session my playing hand was hurting for days. I haven't tried again since. A thick (heavy) blade doesn't help RPB.

I have a new question but starting a new thread :-)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Aug 2016, 10:44 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 15 Aug 2016, 06:47
Posts: 56
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 5 times
Blade: Darker Speed90 CP
FH: Prov H3
BH: Andro Beat
aeoliah wrote:
Nice video ! Too bad I cannot do it because additional rubber for rpb means more weight. My arm started to feel uneasy already at 120 grams :(

It's certainly doable. My JPen itself weighs 100g. Total weight ~170g. Quite heavy but you will get used to it.

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Aug 2016, 10:57 
Offline
Super User
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jun 2017, 00:31
Posts: 443
Location: Maryland, USA
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 78 times
Blade: VKMO
FH: Victas VS > 401
BH: Victas Spectol S1
Anyone here seen the ping pong animation (anime as it was made and produced in japan i think, art style influenced by franco-belgian backgrounds????)? One of the main characters (peco, bowlhead for those of you who have seen it) is a j-pen player with short pips on one side and inverted on the other side, if one looks closly he uses butterfly equipment (the art is veeery choppy and sloppy but in a good way to me); Apperently the blade is designed to be twiddled and is very light, the guy plays speed offensive close to the table. The guy is capable of doing rpb with it, do you think anyone in real life could do the same? I dont see why not, seeing how realistic the characters forms are in the anime.

_________________
Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita Offensive FL
FH: Victas VS > 401 2.0
BH: Victas Spectol S1 1.5

Rating: Recreational Player


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 16 Aug 2016, 11:10 
Offline
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
Rambo Looper Spin First Ask Questions Later
User avatar

Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 14:36
Posts: 5293
Has thanked: 70 times
Been thanked: 214 times
Blade: Donic Persson Power Play
FH: Donic Bluestorm Z3
BH: Tibhar Aurus Soft
There is a 2100 to 2200 level J Pen player I played tonite who uses a 2 sided J Pen blade with one hook handle on each side. He will use the inverted BH to hit hard rpb style.

It can be done and is being done but few are interested in taking all that time to learn how.

Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk

_________________
Goof-off chopping bat
Gambler All Rosewood
Aurus Soft / Gambler GXL .6 sponge

Status - Out of Business Janitor/Babysitter


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 17 Aug 2016, 12:40 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 10671
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 1384 times
Huge variety of Japanese penhold blades, including many Rotor-style ones. You'll have to click around. Second, fourth and fifth choices have Japanese penhold blades. Fourth is exclusively two-sided Rotor-type blades, but there are more elsewhere.

http://armstrong.tokyo.jp/product_racket.html

This is the company that supplied Satoh with his bat in 1952.

Iskandar


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 



All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2018 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group