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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2017, 05:32 
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Carsten Neubauer wrote:
Hello TraditionalTradesman,

I am sorry to learn that you are having problems with pimples breaking off your 'Dr.Neubauer Viper' rubber.
In that regard please note that we use a very special rubber formula for this rubber which provides an interesting compromise between control, low speed and nevertheless surprising attacking possibilities.
The downside of this very soft rubber formula is that it may produce broken pimples after several months of use since the wear&tear process is just faster than with a harder rubber composition.
The same holds true for many soft inverted rubbers, these will also lose much spin and speed after several months of usage.
In case you wish to switch for a more durable long pips rubber you could try our 'Desperado' for example (which also comes with fairly soft pimples, yet not as soft as 'Viper') or a rubber from one of our competitors of course.

Let me know if you have any further questions in that regard.

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Thanks for your thoughts, Carsten. The Viper is an excellent rubber that does pretty much everything I want it to do, but yes, after a few months, it does start falling apart, which is common for cheap Chinese pips but unusual for a long pips rubber at this price point and not something I've experienced with most other European/Japanese/Korean pips I've used, even soft ones (Xiom Guillotine, several of the TSP pips, Joola Badman Reloaded, Butterfly Feint Long II, Tibhar Grass D.TecS, Spinlord Agenda, etc.), and even with some of the better quality Chinese pips I've tried (Giant Dragon Snowflake, Talon & Cropcircles, Air UPUPUPUP, Bomb Talent, etc.). Of course, I wouldn't be using the Viper if any of these other pips were as good as it is in all aspects of the game that I'm looking for (passive and active blocking, a bit of chopping, attacking underspin, dealing with no-spin), so until I find something better, I guess I'll stick with the Viper.

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You might want to try Dragon Talon. Dawei 388 D-1 is also a good suggestion.

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dwruck wrote:
You might want to try Dragon Talon. Dawei 388 D-1 is also a good suggestion.


Thanks, Doug. I used the GD Talon for about six months in 2015 (including the National version), and it was definitely up there among the best long pips I've tried, but I ultimately found the pips a bit too stiff and, therefore, a bit less dynamic than what I like to use, plus it was too vulnerable to no-spin. This led me to try the GD Snowflake, which I found to be an improvement, and then, ultimately, the Viper, which was nearly perfect for what I like to do with my pips (other than its fragility). Might try the 388 D-1 at some point.

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have you tried viper soft? because its softer it doesnt have to be less durable...it is newer rubber than regular viper so maybe they improved it?

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PostPosted: 25 Jan 2017, 01:02 
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have you tried viper soft? because its softer it doesnt have to be less durable...it is newer rubber than regular viper so maybe they improved it?


Yes, tried it before trying the regular version, actually. It was great for chopping but awful for blocking.

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I am also using Dr Neubauer Viper.

I played with my first Viper rubber about 8 months and had no problems. Only lost several pips on the area under my finger.

But recently I bought my second Viper rubber - for my second blade. This blade exactly the same, I just wanted to try another pips-in FH rubber with the same LP and blade.

Less than a month has passed and I lost about 15 pips in the central area. I was very disappointed.

And at the same time I want to ask a question:
Can someone describe the main differences between the Viper and Desperado 2 and Gangster?

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I am also using Dr Neubauer Viper.

I played with my first Viper rubber about 8 months and had no problems. Only lost several pips on the area under my finger.

But recently I bought my second Viper rubber - for my second blade. This blade exactly the same, I just wanted to try another pips-in FH rubber with the same LP and blade.

Less than a month has passed and I lost about 15 pips in the central area. I was very disappointed.

And at the same time I want to ask a question:
Can someone describe the main differences between the Viper and Desperado 2 and Gangster?

Thank you.


There are several comparisons of Desperado 2 and Gangster found on the Desperado 2 Ooak forum, but none directly comparing against viper.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32474

I have used the 3 previously mentioned pips but I haven't used viper recently enough to give you an accurate comparsion.

This is my brief recollection
Hardness: Desperado 2 (D2) > Gangster > Viper
Speed: D2 > Viper > Gangster
Grip: Gangster > Viper >/= D2
Hitting and Aggressive shots: Gangster > Viper >/= D2

I wont comment further as its been too long since I last used viper.


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There's always the Tibhar Dtecs, which does feel similar to Viper (although Dtecs is more bouncy and harder to control), and it's very durable.

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TraditionalTradesman wrote:
Japsican wrote:
Matter of opinion/style.

I think DG Ox is similar in the sense that they are both about reversal and are both very slippery/disturbing.


I've tried the DG before but found it too stiff (like softer pips for their more dynamic effects), and also had the same durability issue.



So can you name non chinese durable long pips that are harder to play against?


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There's always the Tibhar Dtecs, which does feel similar to Viper (although Dtecs is more bouncy and harder to control), and it's very durable.

I agree with "haggisv" :up: after going to the Viper, Dornenglanz & Death I've gone back to Dtecs. :clap: It's a lot more robust & I find it very disruptive for my opponents & very controllable for me. :*: :party:

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I played with Viper ox for a year and a half on my main blade. Only lost less than 10 pips in that time, and most of those were after the first year. I mainly use backhand in matches, so they get plenty of use. Been using Viper soft for a couple months. No pips lost so far.

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