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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2019, 02:42 
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Hey Amicus owners!

I'm having a strange issue I can't figure out. I'm seeing that when I have the robot send balls to the left, I have quite a bit of left sidespin, even though I'm telling it to have no sidespin. Then when I serve to the right side of the table, I have right sidespin. Balls to the middle have no sidespin. I realize that when the ball hits the deflector, that induces a small amount of sidespin. But that's not the cause here - the sidespin from the deflector should be right sidespin to the left side of the table, and left sidespin to the right side. Agreed?

Does anyone else see this, or know what might be the issue?

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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2019, 05:29 
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I'd like to work on returning heavy sidespin, especially on serves. Does anyone have any good settings to simulate such a ball? I'm finding that even if I tell the robot to give me maximum sidespin, the balls are still too easy - much easier than a decent sidespin serve "in real life". I've tried having it give me serves (ball bounces twice), and just balls that bounce once, and neither is giving me a very tough ball to return.


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Hi robot owners!
I know I am late to the party but since a few weeks I am a happy owner of the PowerPong 3001 robot (it is almost identical to the Amicus Professional robot) I had never seen this robot in action before buying it so I took a chance on it. I am glad I did. What an amazing robot it is!

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PostPosted: 10 May 2019, 08:00 
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amaruk wrote:
Hi robot owners!
I know I am late to the party but since a few weeks I am a happy owner of the PowerPong 3001 robot (it is almost identical to the Amicus Professional robot) I had never seen this robot in action before buying it so I took a chance on it. I am glad I did. What an amazing robot it is!


I just looked at this. It appears to be the Amicus professional. Is there any difference?


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Dave T wrote:
amaruk wrote:
Hi robot owners!
I know I am late to the party but since a few weeks I am a happy owner of the PowerPong 3001 robot (it is almost identical to the Amicus Professional robot) I had never seen this robot in action before buying it so I took a chance on it. I am glad I did. What an amazing robot it is!


I just looked at this. It appears to be the Amicus professional. Is there any difference?


I think it is an upgraded Amicus professional (like the latest generation even though the professional is no longer in the line-up) and it has a wireless remote (keyfob). It is also made by the same company in Hungary, just sold under a different name (Butterfly does not make it, they just sell it under their name).

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amaruk wrote:
Dave T wrote:
amaruk wrote:
Hi robot owners!
I know I am late to the party but since a few weeks I am a happy owner of the PowerPong 3001 robot (it is almost identical to the Amicus Professional robot) I had never seen this robot in action before buying it so I took a chance on it. I am glad I did. What an amazing robot it is!


I just looked at this. It appears to be the Amicus professional. Is there any difference?


I think it is an upgraded Amicus professional (like the latest generation even though the professional is no longer in the line-up) and it has a wireless remote (keyfob). It is also made by the same company in Hungary, just sold under a different name (Butterfly does not make it, they just sell it under their name).


I should also add that with the PowerPong 3001 you will get a free upgrade to app control in July (to PowerPong 5000)!
Source: https://www.megaspin.net/store/default. ... rpong-3001

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amaruk wrote:
Dave T wrote:
amaruk wrote:
Hi robot owners!
I know I am late to the party but since a few weeks I am a happy owner of the PowerPong 3001 robot (it is almost identical to the Amicus Professional robot) I had never seen this robot in action before buying it so I took a chance on it. I am glad I did. What an amazing robot it is!


I just looked at this. It appears to be the Amicus professional. Is there any difference?


I think it is an upgraded Amicus professional (like the latest generation even though the professional is no longer in the line-up) and it has a wireless remote (keyfob). It is also made by the same company in Hungary, just sold under a different name (Butterfly does not make it, they just sell it under their name).



Hmm. Like I said, I think this is the same as the Amicus professional (which is a very nice robot). I see no difference. Do you know anything that is "upgraded" about it? The Professional has the wireless keyfob. The motors are the same as the lower amicus models, but it has a higher voltage power supply. You can add an aftermarket higher wattage power supply to the Expert and Basic models yourself, if you want the performance of higher speed balls. The upgrade to the app control is a game changer though. I suspect that the same upgrade would work with other Amicus models if they will sell it separately. It would need a different control head to talk to the motors, that can be interfaced to by the app. I build my own control head to do this, but if it's something that they will sell separately, I will likely check that out too.


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Yes, it is almost identical to the Amicus Professional. I don't know much about the differences though, but since the Amicus Professional is now discontinued (not part of the 2018 Amicus series Start-Expert-Prime) I figured it is different in some way. Here is what Butterfly say on their page:

"For all 3 models, the common differentiator from the previous models is that the electronics have been upgraded. Instead of the power electronics being housed in a control box at the player’s end of the table, they now are housed in the base of the main unit next to the ball feed mechanism. Since the power electronics are now very close to the motors and sensors they control, power is handled in a much more efficient and reliable manner. Previously, power was routed on a 20 foot round trip to the Control Panel and back again, introducing latency and reducing responsiveness."

However, I don't know if the PowerPong 3001 shares electronics with the latest Amicus robots or the previous generation. To me it does not matter really. It is a great robot and I look forward to get app control for it!

Source: https://butterflyonline.com/butterfly-a ... nis-robot/

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Dave T wrote:
It would need a different control head to talk to the motors, that can be interfaced to by the app. I build my own control head to do this, but if it's something that they will sell separately, I will likely check that out too.


That is impressive that you built your own control head! Do you happen to know how the tablet for Amicus Prime talks to the robot? I am guessing that the wireless chips (Bluetooth?) are inside the robot itself (main unit) and that the tablet controls the robot that way via Bluetooth. If that is the case, and if my robot has the same main unit as the Prime, I would think it would work without any hardware changes? What do you think? Just curious. Here are some pre-release images that show the upcoming app. Looks promising to me!

https://www.powerpong.org/product/power ... echnology/

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