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PostPosted: 11 Jun 2019, 10:10 
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Hi all. I've recently decided chopping/pushing on backhand is most natural to me (as opposed to looping). But at the level I play, my opponents tend to push more than loop. Is there a common way to try to get an opponent to loop, or at least push longer? I want to avoid push push rallies if possible. I've got inverted on my backhand and my forehand is more aggressive if that helps. Cheers.


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Find a training partner around your level who wants to improve their looping against chop and drill, drill, drill.


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If you are talking about training partners, just ask them to try and loop. But honestly consistently looping against a chopper is one of the more difficult parts of the game. Best bet is finding someone with more established technique to play with you regularly. Be direct, be frank and approach some of the veteran members in your community.

If you can't find these people, communicate what you want out of the session with your opponent. Have him/her feed you multi-balls and you reciprocate what he/she wants to practice.

If you are speaking about match situations, maybe help him/her to be more active by you being the first to topspin. A slow high arcing loop is easier to attack for beginners than pushes. Practice some flicks, slow lifts even, do whatever YOU can to get out of pushing rallies. My only worry is if they rather block those slow loops, then you really need to find someone better to play against.


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If in a match you have to give the opponent a ball that they are comfortable looping, but not too comfortable, as often returning the first loop is the hardest thing. This is if it is not the opponent's first instinct to loop anything they can.

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Thanks so much for the replies.
Yep, I meant in a match situation.
I've got a coach (Brian Berry) who can help me for practice. Slow spinny loops is good advice. I'll try it at pennant tomorrow night! As far as playing better players, I need to win more to get out of this grade!


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Well, at the practice hall I chop against loop for hours and hours. :sweat: The I go to tournaments and usually face 2 kind of opponets: A) pushers, who don't loop at all and who occasionally flat hit and b) loop killers, who hit so hard that I don't any time to chop. :lol:


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For me the most common way to force the opponent to attack or push longer is using your serve.
In our club there are a lot of players who serve long/half-long no-spin or side-top or pure top-spin(rarely under-spin) serves and engage into an open fight (usually they block and counter well.)

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MrTrying wrote:
Hi all. I've recently decided chopping/pushing on backhand is most natural to me (as opposed to looping). But at the level I play, my opponents tend to push more than loop. Is there a common way to try to get an opponent to loop, or at least push longer? I want to avoid push push rallies if possible. I've got inverted on my backhand and my forehand is more aggressive if that helps. Cheers.



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In a match situation, short serves encourage pushing or flicking so serve long with low/medium speed and a bit of arc to the middle two thirds of the table. Always serve the same serve and don't vary the spin, speed, or placement. You want to give your opponent serves that they feel confident they can loop.

Same with your service returns. Low/medium speed with a bit of arc, keeping the ball to the middle part of the table. If your opponent doesn't have the skill/confidence to step around for balls to their BH, keep the ball to their FH. If you dig into the ball and put a lot of backspin, beginning/intermediate loopers will more than likely push the ball back until they get a ball they feel comfortable looping.


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MrTrying wrote:
But at the level I play, my opponents tend to push more than loop. Is there a common way to try to get an opponent to loop, or at least push longer? I want to avoid push rallies if possible.


Why do you want to avoid pushing rallies? As a defensive player you should be more comfortable and consistant pushing than your opponent. Embrace pushing, go for it! No need to rush the outcome of rallies. Practice pushing, practice patience.

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MrTrying wrote:
But at the level I play, my opponents tend to push more than loop. Is there a common way to try to get an opponent to loop, or at least push longer? I want to avoid push rallies if possible.


Why do you want to avoid pushing rallies? As a defensive player you should be more comfortable and consistant pushing than your opponent. Embrace pushing, go for it! No need to rush the outcome of rallies. Practice pushing, practice patience.

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If I were to guess, OP likes to chop loops and wants to do it as much as possible in a match. I was in the same boat 4 years ago. Then you discover that people at your level can't loop, so rallies a-la JSH, Gionis and Filus don't seem to happen.

Pushing is not sexy... :P

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At club level against pushers I have found the most effective technique is to attack the pushes with short/medium pips on my BH or to top spin flip up the ball on my FH. A pusher loves getting into a long pushing battle or winning cheap points against loopers with poor technique. What they dont want is the push attacked either with deep low drives to the corner using pips or spinny flips from inverted. Throw them out of their comfort zone and then attack any resulting short/high balls.

Alternatively if you want to out push a pusher use a classic anti spin rubber like 804 or a very old sheet (=low grip) classic hardish sponge inverted!


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Yeah, the problem is players can't loop consistently (especially against backspin) until they're maybe 1700-1800 in level. Below that bitter experience will tell them not to even attempt anything but the occasional loop against backspin (and this would usually be a set-piece opening loop against a serve return).

As such, you won't be able to get into the classic chop-loop rallies unless you play at a higher level and stop losing against all those pushers at your current level! :lol:

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To get your opponent to loop you need two things:
1. An opponent who can loop
2. Another shot that they would rather NOT have to handle than your chop.


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There's a thread going over the same question.

Reality is, if people lose points trying to attack your chop... they'll stop attacking.

What worked best for me (after complaining endlessly for months :lol: ) was to focus on your looping game. Against weaker players, if you don't want to stay in push rallies, then attack them and win early on. This will make them reconsider their strategy, and perhaps start trying to attack more.

Alternatively, you can learn to love the push game (since as a defender, this will be crucial going up in levels as well) and beat the lower level pushers at their own game. Push push push! Until you win the "boring" part and move up.

In my view, the best way to get around that style of play is by learning to attack. Get a consistent forehand kill shot, then push a few times until a juicy one comes your way and BAMMO! End the point.

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