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This thread has been created because I'm sick of people saying that everything and anything is a Tensor.

Fact No. 1: The word "Tensor" is a registered trademark

Fact No. 2: The company holding the rights to the Tensor trademark is ESN Elastomer GmbH

Fact No. 3: All "Tensor" products are marked with the the following logo, except for Donic, Tibhar and Yasaka who have probably bought the rights and name the tensor technology as their own thing



Donic calls their Tensors "Formula Donic". 4th Generation Tensor Bios rubbers are called "New Formula Donic".

Yasaka calls their 3G Tensors "STS", or "Spin - Tension - System". Pryde, is labelled "Power Tension". I suspect this is a 3G Tensor, or a really fragile 4G tensor.

Tibhar "Clear Technology" and "DtecS" systems are their Tensor line.

Fact No. 4: The Tensor line is currently up to their 7th Generation.



Fact No. 5: All Tensors are made in Germany.

Made in Japan: Not a Tensor.
Made in China: Not a Tensor.

NEWFact No. 6: JUST BECAUSE A RUBBER IS MADE IN GERMANY, IT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S AUTOMATICALLY A TENSOR

You people do realise that ESN makes rubbers other than Tensors, don't you?

Final Fact: Rubbers not labelled Tensor or not mentioned above are mostly NOT Tensor rubbers

This includes (but not limited to):

Butterfly High Tension

Butterfly Spring Sponge

Stiga Mega Tension

TSP Hi Tension

Donic DSS (Donic Sound System)

I hope somebody will read this and stop saying XXXXXX rubber is a tensor.


NEW: CURRENT TENSOR LIST (AS OF 19/09/2008)

ANDRO
- 001 Roxon (450, 500. 4.5G)
- Classic (2G)
- Impuls (2G)
- Impuls Speed (4G)
- Krypto (3G)
- Logo (2G)
- Plasma (Women,380,430,470. 4G)
- Revolution (2G)
- Revolution C.O.R. (Emotion, Supersponge, COR. 3G)
- Revolution C.O.R. Pips (3G)
- Revolution C.O.R.2 (Emotion, Supersponge, COR2. 3.5G)
- Revolution Fire (2G)
- Revolution Quad (3.5G)

BANCO
- 001 Extreme (4G)
- Diva Energie (3G?)
- Futura Energie (3G?)
- Impact Energie (3G?)
- Puissance (3G?)
- Variation Energy (3G?)

CHAMPION
- Apache (3G?)

DONIC (As Formula Donic)
- 001 Coppa JO Platin (Soft, Platin. 4.5G)
- 002 Vario Gold (4.5G)
- 005 Opus 1 (4.5G?)
- 006 Baracuda (4.5G?)
- Baxter F1-A
- Blues F5 (3G)
- Coppa JO Gold (4G)
- Coppa JO Silver (4G)
- Desto F1 (F1, F1HS. 3G and 4G)
- Desto F1 S (3G)
- Desto F2 (3G and 4G)
- Desto F3 (F3 Big Slam, F3. 3G and 4G)
- Piranja Formula TEC
- Quattro Formula (4G)
- Sonex Formula (XF 40, XF 45. 2G?)
- Sonex JP (3G)
- Sonex JP Gold (4G)
- Sonex JP Soft (3G)

FRIENDSHIP
- High Point (???)

GKI
- 002 Euro Chelonz (4G?)

JOOLA
- 001 Express (One, Two. 4.5G)
- Energy (4G)
- Energy X-tra (4G)
- Tango (3G)
- Tango Extrem (3G)

- Tango Ultra (3G)

KILLERSPIN (NOT CONFIRMED)
- Fury (?)


PALIO
- 001 Macro ERA (4G)
- Macro (3G)
- Macro Pro (3G)
- Maximo (3G)

TIBHAR (As DTecS [3G], Clear Technology/SPI [4G])
- 001 Sinus (Sinus, Alpha. 4.5G)
- Grass DTecS (3G?)
- Nimbus (Sound, Soft, Medium, Nimbus. 4G)
- Rapid DTecS (3G?)
- Rookie DTecS (3G?)
- Speedy Soft DTecS (3G?)
- Vari Spin DTecS (3G?)

XIOM
- 001 Sigma (4G)
- 002 Zeta (Euro, Asia. 4.5G)
- 003 Omega IV (Euro, Asia. 4.5G)
- Guillotine S (3G)
- Max - Leverage (3G)
- Omega I (Euro, Asia, 4G)
- Omega II (Euro, Asia, 4G)
- Omega III (Euro, Asia, 4G, 4.5G)
- Pro - Exclusive (3G)
- Pro - Z (Z, RSM?. 3G)
- Styx - SP (3G)
- True - Innovation (45,50. 3G)
- Yanus DF (3G)

YASAKA (As Spin Tension System [3G] and Power Tension [4G?])
- 001 Pryde (4G)
- 002 Pryde 30 (4G)
- 003 Xtend LB (4G?)
- Xtend (3G)
- Xtend HS (3G)
- Xtend PO (3G)
- Xtend SG (3G)


Changes, 19/09/2008


REMOVED: Reason: NOT A TENSOR

NITTAKU (NOT CONFIRMED)
- Moristo (?)
- Moristo 2000 (?)

RETIRED: Reason: OUT OF PRODUCTION
JOOLA
- Badman (3G)
- Tango Metallic (3G)
- Tango Titan 3.0 (3G?)

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Nice post silver

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lol, this should be a sticky at all TT forums.

Just last week I saw a certain TT seller refer to "Butterfly Tensor"

.... a common confusion on what is Tensor is manufacturers calling there rubber "tensioned" in some what way or form... either reversed tension eg "sprundfeder", a pain in the bottom if you don't speedglue as the rubber changes alot after every timeyou pull it on and off.
"High Tension"from BTY, super fast, but lower throw and less spin.

Totally agree with you that all TENSORS are MADE IN GERMANY.
Others I can think of that are but I might be wrong Palio Macro Pro, and 729 HighPoint, (might be confused since both companies are chinese).... I am sure that there is more, but that is the only 2 true chinese tensors I know.


metal monkey

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Yes, the Palio Macro (and two others. Micro? Maximo?) are tensors. They carry the Tensor logo too.

I don't know if Highpoint is a true Tensor.

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LOL! Great post Silver, that post was well and truly overdue!

PS I'm pretty sure the Highpoint is a tensor, and I know it's 100% made in Germany, 729 only distributes it, so that's the extent of calling it a chinese rubber.

I also heard 729 is the SOLE distributor for ESN in China, which would make it pretty hard for others to get access to the sponge... of course this can chnage...

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FAB POST! it does actually clear things up becuase people have recently started to confuse me about whta rubber is a tensor etc. GOOD ON YOU SILVER

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OK.........so now I suddenly realised that I don't own a single piece of tensor rubber

I wonder if it is too much to ask but it would be good if someone could put up a list of all the available tensor and tensor bios on this thread or somewhere appropriate for reference. After all, with the speed glue ban, I believe this list would prevent a lot of misguided purchases for those after tensors.

@Silver: Great work with your tensor facts

Cheers.
p.s. Oops...as it turns out, I do have tensor rubbers. They are Tibhar Nimbus Soft and Nimbus Sound All this is so confusing

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Here's a list off the top of my head:

Andro:
3G: Revolution, Revolution Fire, Impuls, COR series, Quad series, COR2 series
4G: Plasma series, Roxon series

There are some SP and LP tensors (Krypto) but I don't know these ootomh.

Donic:
3G: Old Donic F series (pre 2006), Sonex series, Sonex JP series, Anaconda Quattro? Some like this.
4G: Current F series (F1/HS/2/3/3BS), JO Gold/Silver, JO Platin/Soft, Sonex JP Gold, Quattro Formula

I think they have some pips too

Joola:
3G: Tango/Extrem/Ultra, Staccato? There are some 3G SP and one LP.
4G: Energy Green Power/Xtra, Express series

Tibhar:
3G: DtecS stuff (please confirm)
4G: Nimbus series, Sinus series

Champion:
3G: Apache and I can't remember the rest

Palio:
3G: Macro, Macro Pro?? Maximo
4G: IIRC there's a new macro out.

Xiom:
3G: True Innovation, ProZ, Others.
4G: Omega series, Zeta

Yasaka:
3G: Xtend series
4G: Pryde (NOT SURE OF THIS).

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@Silver: thanks for the effort with the list. I never knew the Andro Plasma series were 4G.

Cheers.

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Silver,

What is the difference in the playing characrteristics between 3G and 4G? What are they doing to make them Tensors?

I used to prefer the old F1 to the new F1, back when I used it.

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I prefer the older tensors too.

The immediate differences between 3G and 4G are:

4G is tougher (in some cases a lot tougher, like roxon).
4G doesn't reverse dome like crazy.
4G isn't as springy on the short game.
4G has a harder topsheet and in most cases thicker (though I haven't checked).
If you speedglue it, 4G goes s*** when the effect is gone and in some cases goes s*** when you glue it.

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For Andro it should be ...

1G: Revolution, Revoluion Fire, Impuls
2G: COR series, COR2 series
3G: Quad series, Plasma series
4G: Roxon series, Impuls Speed

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