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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2013, 01:55 
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The cover indicates that speed is 40, control 95, both very much ok, but "effect/disruption" is 80, which is something like Friendship 755. Every serious LP has disruption over 90. Of course, they may have their own special way of computing figures, but it would make sense to give values inj accordance with mainstream LP manufacturers like Neubauer or Tibhar. Perhaps this rubber is so near-frictionless, that it is quite predictable for opponents (who understand LPs). It may still be a very good rubber, though. A different explanation is that not disturbance, but capability of producing effect (off incoming spin) is indicated; in that case, 80 is pretty high.

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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2013, 02:50 
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Disruptive effect and control are always in balance to each other. Although everybody feels an ardent longing for 100 disruption together with 100 control this is not possible. As the control is very high with 95 a value of 80 is with respect to this very high.


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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2013, 05:27 
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Disruptive effect and control are always in balance to each other. Although everybody feels an ardent longing for 100 disruption together with 100 control this is not possible. As the control is very high with 95 a value of 80 is with respect to this very high.
I don't quite agree with that. Meteor 8512 is generally considered to be a high control rubber with great disruption, which probably just means that a lot of people are capable of playing effectively with it. Butterfly Feint Long III isn't thought to be very deceptive, but very effective in stopping/absorbing attacks as it turns incoming topspin in very heavy backspin, so it is very disruptive, and still has high control according to most. There are, in my opinion, also many LPs that in capable hands have great disruption but to the unaccustomed are difficult to use; in many cases this is mainly because they are relatively fast, and when used on slow blades or after extensive training, they are easy to control as well; other rubbers are high throw and need training time to get the angle of the blade right. Control is, I think, almost entirely a subjective value. Disruption also, I think, and at any rate there is more to it than simple reversal, or the potential of producing knuckle balls; most LPs are designed with a specific purpose in mind and if used for it well (that, at least, depends on the player, so is a subjective factor) are quite effective, hence quite disruptive. Anyway, it would be much more informing if manufacturers instead of giving just numerical values would explain what a rubber is intended to do, and how it does that. Something like: "Designed to absorb speed and reverse spin, the rather stiff pimples of this LP have low friction and are not very elastic, so the rubber is good for all sorts of blocking and counter-hitting or aggressive pushing close to the table, but will do less well for classic defence as it will not really add to incoming spin."

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A clear definition of how they measure control/disruption would be very useful from any the major long pimple manufacturers. The (now illegal) Superblock has a 100 for disruption, but it's unclear if this is due to it's extremely high reversal or extremely slow pace.

Hopefully Sauer or Tröger can tell us how they determine these parameters for their rubbers...

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haggisv wrote:
The (now illegal) Superblock has a 100 for disruption, but it's unclear if this is due to it's extremely high reversal or extremely slow pace.


I think it's both. Superblock's "control" comes from being able to get a good dwell time to block the ball regardless of incoming ball's spin and power. In this way it could disrupt a good looper's rhythm (e.g. chop-blocking very short over the net with great reversal), but against a good pips out hitter it's utterly useless, as it just returns slow dead balls to be smashed away for winners.


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I don't think most of the numbers rating rubbers (and blades) are an exact science. Even the numbers for sponge hardness which would be easy to measure are not exact. In my opinion the numbers are indications at best but mostly marketing.

Does the ittf test friction, hardness, spin, etc when approving a rubber?

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Elvis56 wrote:
Does the ittf test friction, hardness, spin, etc when approving a rubber?

Friction Yes for pimples... only to ensure it meets the minimum friction level. All other test are mainly some of the physical properties (eg dimension, thickness, etc) and labeling... no dynamic performance test are done. No hardness or spin is tested.

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The blocking is impressive, in my opinion: it looks like the rubber enables taking off a lot of speed and reversing a lot of spin. The chop/chop-block are a bit less impressive; the trajectory of the ball seems a little high. All in all, though, it looks pretty good.

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A very nicely done video! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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What is / are the blade(s) used in this VDO ?

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Pimple Lover wrote:
What is / are the blade(s) used in this VDO ?


I have used a Nittaku Shake Def blade:

http://www.contra.de/product_info.php/i ... fence.html

Sebastian has used a AR+/OFF- blade.

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I had a chance to watch your video a few times I noticed you chop on the top of the Apex instead of waiting for the ball to drop off. I do the same, it brings the ball back a little faster and I found the control is better. Your blade sounds soft, I see that there is some flex to the blade from the reviews. Still the combo looks and sound great. Is your FH rubber considered a Mild Tensor rubber. I have been doing some reseach in macthing LP ox rubber with Tensor and Nontensor rubbers. I will doing experiments starting this month. SO far I had found the Tensor on the FH side will send the ball back faster and lower..

More vidoes please and when this will be available in the US markets as well.

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I had a chance to watch your video a few times I noticed you chop on the top of the Apex instead of waiting for the ball to drop off. I do the same, it brings the ball back a little faster and I found the control is better. Your blade sounds soft, I see that there is some flex to the blade from the reviews. Still the combo looks and sound great. Is your FH rubber considered a Mild Tensor rubber. I have been doing some reseach in macthing LP ox rubber with Tensor and Nontensor rubbers. I will doing experiments starting this month. SO far I had found the Tensor on the FH side will send the ball back faster and lower..

More vidoes please and when this will be available in the US markets as well.

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The FH rubber was a new rubber of VICTAS. Short pimple:

http://www.contra.de/product_info.php/i ... --101.html

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You can have a look for more informations also on our facebook page:

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