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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 15 May 2018, 03:21 
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Got the DTECS 9mm sponge in today. Will mount to the VKM and see how it goes.

So, the 2 setups in question are VKM + Dtecs + FH Rubber TBD and a Viscaria + FL3 + Hurricane 3 Max. Could they BE any more different?

Lately I am watching 2 players, Chtchetinine of course and Ruwen Filus. Also a little bit of Angela Guan. Watching Filus and Guan to gleam more insight into why i struggle so much with FL3 at times.

I wish they made a JSH blade that was actually 87-90 grams. That would be ideal for me. Not the 104, 105gram blades i got in the past. Too heavy.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 15 May 2018, 03:24 
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This happened today in the Hospital Cafeteria, originally posted on Facebook:

Me: (points to the steak) can I just have the meat please?

Cafeteria Guy: It's part of the sandwhich...it's a french dip.

Me: Okay, but I just want the meat, not the bread.

CG: But then it's not a french dip.

Me: I get that, but I don't want the bread.

CG: Then you wouldn't be getting the French Dip, not sure how to do that.

Me: Forget the words "french" and "dip." Just serve me the meat that normally goes in the bread, but place it on the plate.

CG: How about this, I give you the meat in the bread, and you just take the meat out.

Me: Okay, I can do that, but it's a waste of a perfectly good bun, because I will throw it away.

CG: Why would you do that? Just eat it.

Me: (Sporting the "are you a F*** idiot" face) I don't want the bread.

Manager: What's the issue?

Me: No issue, he won't give me the meat for the French Dip by itself without the bun. I think this is a teaching opportunity.

Manager: Looks at CG, why don't you just put the meat on the plate without the bread?

CG: But then it wouldn't be a French Dip?

Manger: (looks at me)

Me: (Looks at manager)

Me & Manager: (Looks at CG like he ate paint chips growing up)

CG: Begrudgingly places steak on plate.

Me: Can I get a side of Au jus?

CG: What's Au Jus?

#DoNotProcreate #DarwinMightBeWrong

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 15 May 2018, 03:40 
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Japsican wrote:
I wish they made a JSH blade that was actually 87-90 grams. That would be ideal for me. Not the 104, 105gram blades i got in the past. Too heavy.


My workaround for this is to use thinner LP sponges. YMMV but imho there is a noticeable weight difference between a P1R 1-1.3mm and a P4 in 0.3-0.6. The latter has a softer lighter sponge and there is less sponge too. Both of my JSH blades assembled are somewhere between 172 and 174g. I could probably save a couple more g by not using the edge tape but the risk of accidental damage would be higher.


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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 17 May 2018, 03:19 
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notfound123 wrote:
Japsican wrote:
I wish they made a JSH blade that was actually 87-90 grams. That would be ideal for me. Not the 104, 105gram blades i got in the past. Too heavy.


My workaround for this is to use thinner LP sponges. YMMV but imho there is a noticeable weight difference between a P1R 1-1.3mm and a P4 in 0.3-0.6. The latter has a softer lighter sponge and there is less sponge too. Both of my JSH blades assembled are somewhere between 172 and 174g. I could probably save a couple more g by not using the edge tape but the risk of accidental damage would be higher.


I tried this. I have the 0.5mm P4. I'm just not a fan of it...not intuitive for me on other blades. The FL3 was far easier for me to figure out blade angles and such, particularly pushing push. I did play the P1R in 0.5mm on the blade as well. Both felt too shrill. Just a preference thing.

One thing I noticed is that the Flared handle version is far more forgiving than the ST. There is more flex and more dampening, and I think, in general it's a tad bit lighter. I've played 2 of them, one belonged to John Olsen (you might know him). It was VERY different than my 2 ST Joo blades. Very different.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 17 May 2018, 04:49 
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Japsican wrote:
Got the DTECS 9mm sponge in today. Will mount to the VKM and see how it goes.

So, the 2 setups in question are VKM + Dtecs + FH Rubber TBD and a Viscaria + FL3 + Hurricane 3 Max. Could they BE any more different?

Lately I am watching 2 players, Chtchetinine of course and Ruwen Filus. Also a little bit of Angela Guan. Watching Filus and Guan to gleam more insight into why i struggle so much with FL3 at times.

I wish they made a JSH blade that was actually 87-90 grams. That would be ideal for me. Not the 104, 105gram blades i got in the past. Too heavy.


I tried the Dtecs 9mm on the VKM. I really liked how it plays, but it is indeed bouncy and fast as advertised. It's very passive, but sometimes it adds spin, and I don't think my technique or bat speed changed much, so I'm thinking there is something unique about the pips in that they sometimes are reactive to spin, and other times not so much. Chopping, not so much. You can add spin, but not a ton. When I pushed pushes, sometimes the returns were netted, sometimes popped up. I was paying attention too, so not sure why.

Also, there is something strange with the VKM I'm using. It's quite a bit more flexy than my other VKM, and I'm totally struggling with throw angle on chops and pushes. I might mount the to the other VKM or the defplay.

I really like stiffer blades for chopping and flexy blades for looping. I think part of the reason I keep searching is because I'd like both, but I know logically this isn't possible. BUT...I did like John's flexier flared Joo blade. In direct comparison with my ST blade, there was a pretty sizable difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 19 May 2018, 02:29 
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Japsican wrote:
I really like stiffer blades for chopping and flexy blades for looping. I think part of the reason I keep searching is because I'd like both, but I know logically this isn't possible. BUT...I did like John's flexier flared Joo blade. In direct comparison with my ST blade, there was a pretty sizable difference.


lol I actually prefer stiffer blades for looping and I absolutely love the feel of VKM with P1R for chopping.

Just a thought: if you are torn between the two, you may want to give VKMO a try. It is harder than VKM (less flex) but a tiny bit slower than JSH (thus easier to control ).

I played with it for 6+ months, just couldn't live with its tiny narrow ST handle.


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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 19 May 2018, 03:12 
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notfound123 wrote:
Japsican wrote:
I really like stiffer blades for chopping and flexy blades for looping. I think part of the reason I keep searching is because I'd like both, but I know logically this isn't possible. BUT...I did like John's flexier flared Joo blade. In direct comparison with my ST blade, there was a pretty sizable difference.


lol I actually prefer stiffer blades for looping and I absolutely love the feel of VKM with P1R for chopping.

Just a thought: if you are torn between the two, you may want to give VKMO a try. It is harder than VKM (less flex) but a tiny bit slower than JSH (thus easier to control ).

I played with it for 6+ months, just couldn't live with its tiny narrow ST handle.

That's actually a very good suggestion.

However, last night I revisited an OX LP (Dornenglanz II) on a defplay (I usually play DG I on the defplay) and found it pretty awesome. Also been playing with H3 and really love how much spin I get on serves and chops. Have to re-learn to loop with it, but when I get it, it's super spinny. Still getting used to it and had to adjust my chop a bit against my practice partner. He beat me pretty handily the first 2 games, I won the 3rd, lost the 4th in 5. But the combo is new, so I have to adjust. The H3 is far better for my stroke on the Defplay vs. the Viscaria.

I may have found my new setup for the next season...either DGII or DGI with H3 on a defplay.

I also defeated my team mate, the 1800 level kid who I haven't beaten for several months.

The DG II is safer and more controlled but far less dangerous. I'll have to do more direct comparison, but I think I'm better with the DGII. I tried it before, liked it, but put it down because I didn't garner the same amount of netted balls vs. DG or P-1R. But you know how that goes, could have been the looper, or my technique with the new rubber, whatever. But last night, it gave me a lot of confidence. I don't care about "max underspin" anymore... like many of you I've learned that doesn't really matter. There are few OX pips that chop well, and can offer safety AND manipulation both. I think DGII does. But DG 1 is a monster (against the right opponents)! We'll see. Safety or leathality?

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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2018, 13:53 
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Japsican wrote:
notfound123 wrote:
Just a thought: if you are torn between the two, you may want to give VKMO a try. It is harder than VKM (less flex) but a tiny bit slower than JSH (thus easier to control ).

I played with it for 6+ months, just couldn't live with its tiny narrow ST handle.


That's actually a very good suggestion.


So here is something funny. I liked my own suggestion so much that I decided to give VKMO another shot :lol: :rofl:
Since I sold last VKMO to pgpg.. I went ahead and got another one :) this time I purposely selected the heaviest blade I could find (94g) wanting it to be as close to JSH speed-wise as possible. Still not JSH-fast but okay for my experiment. I even had my first training session with it today!


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 Post subject: Re: Holy Chtchet!
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I think I have finally settled on a pip. I have been really loving the DG2 lately in Ox. I know that Denis Kalachevskiy plays it in 1.0mm and 0.6mm, not sure which right now. I think 0.6mm these days.

So, I decided to buy 2 sponges from ColesTT, the 30-35 degree yellow Air lemon sponge in bought 0.6mm and 1.0mm. I have tried the 1.0mm sponge on the DG2, and in short, I absolutely LOVE it! It feels like just the right amount of grippiness and just the right about of spin safety. I can definitely add and manipulate spin, but without too much spin sensitivity. It's also fairly fast, which I like. Not too slow like FL3, but not too fast like DTecs. I'd say it's about as fast as Easy P, if you've every tried that. It's about as dampening as well when defending (Braking?) however, on active shots, like

But the feeling...it's so..."juicy." That's the only way I can describe it. Huge dwell time, and a nice 'springy' feeling...springy but not too bouncy. I fail to describe the feeling.

I played with it during league, and only against 1500 level or less players, but I won my group, and I felt comfortable right away. It isn't as dampening as P-1R. I can't speak to the top-end underspin, but it's manipulation and spin-adding properties are really good. And it's passive blocking is still there, something rare with 1.0mm grippy rubbers. My bumping game wasn't as good, not used to doing that yet. Of course, 1.0mm rubber makes that more difficult, but I think with some adjustment I can get it eventually.

I will be ordering another DG2 to put on the 0,6mm Air Lemon sponge.

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PostPosted: 17 Jul 2018, 02:35 
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Interesting double inverted chopper at my club. Around 1800, very controlled. Recently adopted a chopping style, maybe around a year ago. He is very controlled and patient. He makes full use the contact point and is cognizant of the poles with regard to spin. He is 1818 USATT, and in the video below playing a penholder who is between 1900-2000. I think he is in his 70s... funny enough, he plays with Viscaria! with Sriver on the BH and Tenergy 05 on the FH. I have a similar viscaria setup that I play with, but far less effectively.



BTW, does the penholder look like anyone to you?

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Have you guys played with Gambler MechTek Predator? Holy monkey...people have been comparing it to Tenergy 05...i think in terms of grip it might be a little more. The feel and catapult are similar for sure. I have only tried it on a Defplay Senso which had 05 on the back. I think it's the GMTP might actually be spinnier on serves, and it might be a hair slower...However, the speed is so similar, that I change my mind each time I play with it as to which is faster.

At a mere 14 bucks, I might order 2 max sheets for my double inverted Viscaria setup to see how that feels vs. the Tenergy.

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