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PostPosted: 16 Apr 2018, 07:48 
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Hi there. Love reading your ramblings since I am a penholder myself so I love reading anything to do with the subject. I watched the first video in which you were doping the fh/bh returns to the robot, and then the video in which you were doing serves. I know others have already given you a lot of input so perhaps what I am going to say is redundant but I will say it anyway. :)

The first video, against the robot. Yes, you need to get a bit of whip in your arm action, which will come with practice but I wanted to mention something else. You obviously know where the next ball is going to land so I see you shuffling across and then waiting. I would advise speeding the robot up so you don't have time to do that even if you know where the next ball is coming. This will make it more realistic and a better workout and practice. Either that, or set the motion to random if the robot has it so you don't where the next ball is coming.

Now for the serves vid. Two things I noticed, and I could be wrong so I apologize in advance if that is the case.
1. I felt you are serving over the table - it appeared that way to me - and I would advise that you move back so that what you practice is not only legal, but it will also let you lower the point of contact.
2. Hold only one ball in your hand, on the palm, and toss it higher - right now your toss is not high enough - so again, you practice what you will be doing in a game and also what is legal. You can place the extra balls on a stool next to the table on your side so you can reach in without moving if you want.

Good luck and keep the posts coming. :clap:


I'm glad someone especially a fellow penholder loves reading these.

I agree 100% with what you said. The robot speed in the video was on the slow side because I just wanted to show my play, but I've had some issues in the past (feet/arm soreness) with fast speeds. I will need to experiment again and find the right speed, maybe not practicing it for too long.

I have suspected myself that I serve over the table. I will move back next time. The ball toss is definitely not high enough. I'm going to practice FH serves again in the next week...maybe shovel serve like Xu Xin, since it's quite common among penholders. I haven't had much luck with it last time but I just have to endure a little longer until I can use it in matches.

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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2018, 11:08 
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Today I played doubles at work after a long (for me) hiatus. I didn't play very well and lost both matches. I was teamed up with the best player who played well and against our usual foes, so there's no excuse. Not terrible play, but could be better.

I still do not have a lot of confidence in my FH given recent experiences and that I haven't ramped up my practice. It wasn't as bad as Saturday, and was looking up in the 2nd match, but overall I lacked the looping feel to put lowish balls over the net. RPB was again stellar...I didn't miss much and almost all instant winners. But I only use it when I'm out of position as RPB is the natural and only solution there.

As soon as I stood at my doubles spot I felt like I had to rely on my FH and TPB. Ah the pressure...I shall start RPBing more when it's not doubles tho.
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Last night, I realized the right way to loop based on recent feedback.

I need to start with my arm relaxed and relatively straight, and end with it in the salute position around my head.

The natural way to do this is whip the arm, but also CHANGE THE ANGLE between upper arm and forearm. The latter I read on some forums before, but Wu Jingping (Ma Lin/Wang Hao's coach) stressed it in a video.

Without the CHANGE THE ANGLE part, I either end up with straight arm the whole way, or bent arm the whole way like in my last videos. Straight arm provides good power and I think is still applicable for farther balls (I think Ma Lin/RSM do this a lot), but won't work if not enough space esp for amateurs. Bent arm lacks power and is a bit rigid.

But if I change the angle naturally as I whip, I can loop balls of different distances.

Anyway, took some practice videos:



I think I did better with the whipping around the middle of the vid. The sound of the ball is different if I whip it right. Overall I had more power than last time.

I tried to stay as low and use as much twisting as I can, it still looks weaker than I thought. :P

I don't think my loops have strong spin, we'll see if practice changes that.




This is against pretty strong backspin from robot. I felt like I was able to use some legs here but it wasn't evident in the video.

I felt like I was hitting it very hard, but it didn't look as fast in the vid. On the other hand, the net clearance and overall curvature seemed better than from my angle.

I'm not sure if my loops are "spin loops" or "loop drives" - same in TV commentary, sometimes they say Xu Xin "spin loops" too much and needs to loop drive more like Ma Lin. To me, it seems like if the trajectory is flatter it's a loop drive.

I attempted some slow spin loops at the end, which looked like I used more arm..

A few potential issues I noticed:
* I am contacting the ball more to my side rather than the front. Chinese coaches talk about "moving forward" using body power to loop a lot. I have done this in the past but not consistently. Need to start doing this again

* I'm using some waist power which is a good start, but not much legs yet. Not likely to really look like a pro but worth moving in that direction.

* The ball is a bit too close to my body. Need more room for max power.

Lastly, I'm starting to think I may need replace my FH rubber (still Skyline 2). It's been over a year old and noticed some slippage (or just poor technique lately, replace anyway...)

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PostPosted: 17 Apr 2018, 13:28 
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1) At this point you should be contacting the ball beside you, not in front of you. You will naturally start contacting in front of you especially when you start hitting much much harder. Try to contact when it's about a handspan forward of your body parallel to the table

2) I have a feeling you are pivoting off the back foot and stepping the front foot backwards (it's hard to tell). Move your weight forwards onto your front foot as you contact the ball. If you need to step your front foot prior to contact to help weight shift. Don't bother moving your back foot through right now, just focus on shifting weight. As per #1, when you start hitting harder your foot will start to follow through.

3) Yes you are contacting a bit too close to your body. Watch the difference between your #1 and #2 video - #2 you are contacting maybe a handspan further away from your body. Contacting further away will also give you space to change direction too.

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Yeah. You're a good coach. I noticed I pivot around my right foot too and experimented with what you said. I had a bad knee then.

I was basically half assing knowingly until i want to win more.

This sounds all a plan coming together. Fixing the stroke will maybe help with that knee :)

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