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PostPosted: 12 May 2018, 06:24 
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With many medium pips just being put on the market specially by ( dr.Neubauer and DER MATERIALSPEZIALIST) I will try to create a board of the caracteristics so we can compare each of them. It include the older one also like millital,Diamant etc...Bare with me it is quite a task. Help from everyone will help.

First we will consider MP from theirs caractéristics of what we want to achieve with the MP: being able to do sp and LP shots with a certain ease. e.g. Let say you want to add PR1 in the list. They are no caractéristics of short pips in this LP. Ok some will say I can attack with it. yes but not with a good degree of stability and certainty over many consecutive shots. Its even consider a classic defender pimple rubber so it will not come in the list.

So What are the caractéristics we want to put in ? ( speed, control, spin, push,block counter, lift,roll, bump, classic chop, disruption, top spin etc... They will be note from one to ten. Then an average will be calculate for each carateristics and finally put it as near Sp or LP. We will also need, the thickness of the sponges and the blade you play with. We will try to pin point each one like that.



1-Speed
2-Control
3-short game
4-long game
5-own underspin
6-own topspin
7-reverse
8-disruption
9-block
10-attack
11-defense
10-flat hit
11-float
12-knuckle ball
13-push
14-classic chop

So give me the caracteristics you want to see in the board.

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Surely include sink.


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PostPosted: 12 May 2018, 16:53 
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Also include a space for comments, like difference between sponge and ox.

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PostPosted: 12 May 2018, 22:56 
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Sink = knuckle ball right ?


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PostPosted: 13 May 2018, 01:52 
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maddrag wrote:
Sink = knuckle ball right ?


Not quite. With certain rubbers -- mostly thinner-sponged short and medium pips -- when you flat-hit a ball in a low, fast path towards your opponent, sink causes it to unexpectedly and suddenly drop downwards, contacting the table sooner than expected. Think downward wind shear and the effect it has on an airplane. Sink can be very effective, especially when the opponent thinks the ball is going long but sink causes it to unexpectedly drop and contact the table.


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PostPosted: 13 May 2018, 14:16 
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ok let start with 2 mp I played:

Millital II 1.3 mm ( played with Victas koji Matsushita offensive defense, 95 gram.)

1-Speed : 4
2-Control: 9
3-short game: 7
4-long game: 8
5-own underspin: 6
6-own topspin: 5
7-reversal: 5
8-distortion: 4
9-block : 6
10-attack: 5
11-defense: 8
10-flat hit: 6
11-float: 6
12-knuckle ball : 3
13-push: 7
14-classic chop : 8
15-trow angle medium

Good all around MP. small Pimples, Can do hits own underspin on push. Good control overall. Can produce float and underspin on classic chop. Counter and block are ok but not dangerous as too slow Would be good with placement and variation on shot.

so Distortion: 3 block 6 drive 6 defense 8 Overal LP/SP: 4.5 all around

Neubauer agressor 1.3 mm ( play with neubauer powerwall plus 64 gram)
1-Speed : 7.5
2-Control: 8.5
3-short game: 7.5
4-long game: 8
5-own underspin: 6
6-own topspin: 6.5
7-reversal: 7
8-distortion: 8
9-block : 8
10-attack: 8
11-defense: 8
10-flat hit: 8
11-float: 8
12-knuckle ball : 5 ( still need to be verified)
13-push: 7.5
14-classic chop : 8
15-throw angle : low

Very god mp for variations and distortion. Long pimples 1.65 mm and big diameter 2.10mm. hard sponge 45 degree. The big and very long pimples can be played with no bending pimples or bending pimples thus changing the spin and speed on the ball. Never feel to hit the bottom of the blade. In learning process but can create tons of variations. Good control on counter against fast topspin and underspin. Agressive shot can be made using the bending of the pimple. Fast or slow shot can be made. Any agressive type of players ( defense or offense will find this rubber quite good. Feel secure to step back and chop back to secure the play to then go back at the table.

so Distortion: 8.5 block 8 drive 8.5 defense 8 Overal LP/SP: 5.5 offense


Shockwave 1.5 mm ( played with Victas koji Matsushita offensive defense, 95 gram.)

1-Speed : 8
2-Control: 9
3-short game: 7
4-long game: 6
5-own underspin: 7
6-own topspin: 7.5
7-reversal: 4.5
8-distortion: 4
9-block : 7
10-attack: 8.5
11-defense: 7
10-flat hit: 8
11-float: 8
12-knuckle ball : 7
13-push: 7.5
14-classic chop : 5
15- Trow angle: medium

Only play 2 hours with it. A regular pimple and diameter. Goes more on the SP side. Sponge at 35 degree and more springy. A closer angle need to be done on the attacking stroke. The speed of this pimples help to create spin.
Push, attack and placement is its bread and butter. Chop like an sp. Good side chop keep the ball lower. Distortion is absent except for fast counter that created heavy knuckle ball that make the ball fall shorter. Opponant are more use to this type of shot that look a lot like inverted rubber.

so Distortion: 4 block 7 drive 8.75 defense 5 Overal LP/SP: 7.5 offense

So I added the overall score of the rubber for what is tend to go toward. LP defense 1 to SP offensive 10 caracteristics with a score and the style of play. So 4.0 offensive would be a LP like rubber made for offense. ( the rubber will be good for offense but more like LP shot. A 9 offensive will be rubber with have more SP caracteristics with a lot of speed and attack. A 5 offensive will be both LP and SP caracteristics with offensive style like an LP and SP ( All around) Play distortion, reversal change speed, block and good defense.

Waiting for your comment and rating on MP you tried.


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PostPosted: 18 May 2018, 06:11 
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Dr Neubauer Aggressor 1,5 mm on Stiga Carbonado 190

1-Speed 8
2-Control 5
3-short game 5
4-long game 6
5-own underspin 4
6-own topspin 5
7-reverse 8
8-disruption 9
9-block (passive 5, active 7)
10-attack 7
11-defense 6
10-flat hit 7
11-float 8
12-knuckle ball 8
13-push 4
14-classic chop 7

DMS Hellcat 1,5 mm on Stiga Carbonado 190

1-Speed 7
2-Control 8
3-short game 7
4-long game 7
5-own underspin 8
6-own topspin 9
7-reverse 5
8-disruption 4
9-block 8
10-attack 9
11-defense 6
10-flat hit 8
11-float 5
12-knuckle ball 4
13-push 8
14-classic chop 8


DMS Power Pipes 1,5 mm on Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon

1-Speed 9
2-Control 7
3-short game 6
4-long game 7
5-own underspin 7
6-own topspin 8
7-reverse 7
8-disruption 7
9-block 7
10-attack 9
11-defense 5
10-flat hit 8
11-float 9
12-knuckle ball 7
13-push 6
14-classic chop 5

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PostPosted: 20 May 2018, 20:51 
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Thank you def-attack. If you can name the blade you were playing with and what kind of blade it is. It would be great.


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maddrag wrote:
ok let start with 2 mp I played:

Millital II 1.3 mm ( played with Victas koji Matsushita offensive defense, 95 gram.)

1-Speed : 4
2-Control: 9
3-short game: 7
4-long game: 8
5-own underspin: 6
6-own topspin: 5
7-reversal: 5
8-distortion: 4
9-block : 6
10-attack: 5
11-defense: 8
10-flat hit: 6
11-float: 6
12-knuckle ball : 3
13-push: 7
14-classic chop : 8
15-trow angle medium

Good all around MP. small Pimples, Can do hits own underspin on push. Good control overall. Can produce float and underspin on classic chop. Counter and block are ok but not dangerous as too slow Would be good with placement and variation on shot.

so Distortion: 3 block 6 drive 6 defense 8 Overal LP/SP: 4.5 all around

Neubauer agressor 1.3 mm ( play with neubauer powerwall plus 64 gram)
1-Speed : 7.5
2-Control: 8.5
3-short game: 7.5
4-long game: 8
5-own underspin: 6
6-own topspin: 6.5
7-reversal: 7
8-distortion: 8
9-block : 8
10-attack: 8
11-defense: 8
10-flat hit: 8
11-float: 8
12-knuckle ball : 5 ( still need to be verified)
13-push: 7.5
14-classic chop : 8
15-throw angle : low

Very god mp for variations and distortion. Long pimples 1.65 mm and big diameter 2.10mm. hard sponge 45 degree. The big and very long pimples can be played with no bending pimples or bending pimples thus changing the spin and speed on the ball. Never feel to hit the bottom of the blade. In learning process but can create tons of variations. Good control on counter against fast topspin and underspin. Agressive shot can be made using the bending of the pimple. Fast or slow shot can be made. Any agressive type of players ( defense or offense will find this rubber quite good. Feel secure to step back and chop back to secure the play to then go back at the table.

so Distortion: 8.5 block 8 drive 8.5 defense 8 Overal LP/SP: 5.5 offense


Shockwave 1.5 mm ( played with Victas koji Matsushita offensive defense, 95 gram.)

1-Speed : 8
2-Control: 9
3-short game: 7
4-long game: 6
5-own underspin: 7
6-own topspin: 7.5
7-reversal: 4.5
8-distortion: 4
9-block : 7
10-attack: 8.5
11-defense: 7
10-flat hit: 8
11-float: 8
12-knuckle ball : 7
13-push: 7.5
14-classic chop : 5
15- Trow angle: medium

Only play 2 hours with it. A regular pimple and diameter. Goes more on the SP side. Sponge at 35 degree and more springy. A closer angle need to be done on the attacking stroke. The speed of this pimples help to create spin.
Push, attack and placement is its bread and butter. Chop like an sp. Good side chop keep the ball lower. Distortion is absent except for fast counter that created heavy knuckle ball that make the ball fall shorter. Opponant are more use to this type of shot that look a lot like inverted rubber.

so Distortion: 4 block 7 drive 8.75 defense 5 Overal LP/SP: 7.5 offense

So I added the overall score of the rubber for what is tend to go toward. LP defense 1 to SP offensive 10 caracteristics with a score and the style of play. So 4.0 offensive would be a LP like rubber made for offense. ( the rubber will be good for offense but more like LP shot. A 9 offensive will be rubber with have more SP caracteristics with a lot of speed and attack. A 5 offensive will be both LP and SP caracteristics with offensive style like an LP and SP ( All around) Play distortion, reversal change speed, block and good defense.

Waiting for your comment and rating on MP you tried.



I think the performance of a rubber very much depends on the blade we use , so these ratings are just a tiny part of the reality.If people use the same type of blade( I mean similar features ) as we have tested, then, chances are the information is more credible .

My views on K.O 1,3 mm on Sword 309 :

1-Speed : 6.5
2-Control: 9
3-short game: 7
4-long game: 8
5-own underspin: 6
6-own topspin: 5
7-reversal: 7.5
8-distortion: 8.5
9-block : 8.5
10-attack: 7
11-defense: 8.5
10-flat hit: 7
11-float: 8
12-push: 7
14-classic chop : 7.5
15-throw angle : low

Very good mp for a disruptive game close to the table .

Hope this helps.


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PostPosted: 21 May 2018, 20:21 
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thank you for the peoples who rate so far. If you can add the blade you played the MP with it would be great with a description of the blade as to offense, defence or all around. It would help to understand better the MP. The sponge thickness is also good to know. Put any comment you want, it will help on the understanding of the MP.


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