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 Post subject: moristo sp
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2019, 11:02 
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Due to the mima ito effect I decided to try moristo. I thought it was a spinny pip but it turns out it plays more like a classic pip. my sheet in 2mm felt not very grippy compared to 802, spectol, spectol red and spinpip red. Even on spin test it reacted less than the other pips I got. Is this what others have found or is it just my sheet. This is the 1st time I have tried a raw pip which is vertically aligned all my other pips are horizontal. I use pips on my bh and I was hitting long and blocking into the net a lot. Might need to get use to the angles again or is there a technique change required for vertical aligned pips.


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 Post subject: Re: moristo sp
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2019, 11:47 
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Maybe ITO is using the new Moristo SP Ax? viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33677 The Ax version has horizontal pips and can generate plenty of spin.


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 Post subject: Re: moristo sp
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My teamate has used Moristo on backhand. You can get enough spin to play like Ito does.
It's easier to hit and block than with Waran.

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 Post subject: Re: moristo sp
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I play with Moristo sp (2.2mm) on backhand too, and yes, it does not have a lot of spin to it.

The only other rubber that you are comparing it to that I have played with is Spectol 1.5mm (today actually), and I don't agree that it has less spin than that. I found it nearly impossible to create any real spin with Spectol (not really what it's meant to do either -- I actually really enjoyed playing with it.) As cmugica said, you can definitely generate spin with Moristo.


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Speaking of Ito, I was just watching this just now:



Goodness gracious... that backhand. Though in the last few points it was the forehand crosscourt drive that did most of the damage.

What Chinese rubber would be similar? 802-40?

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 Post subject: Re: moristo sp
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iskandar taib wrote:
Speaking of Ito, I was just watching this just now:



Goodness gracious... that backhand. Though in the last few points it was the forehand crosscourt drive that did most of the damage.

What Chinese rubber would be similar? 802-40?

Iskandar


I would hazard the Legend 105 is closest. 802-40 has a much harder topsheet.


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 Post subject: Re: moristo sp
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Who makes Legend 105?

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iskandar taib wrote:
Who makes Legend 105?

729 aka Friendship.


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Ah.. this stuff:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Sh ... 16831.html

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I didn't find it until I searched for "729 legend".

They say it's medium pips, and it's a $15 rubber. Maybe I'll order a sheet. Comes in two different thicknesses and two different sponge hardnesses (looks pretty soft and thin - 36/38 degrees, and 1.7 and 1.9mm).

And there's the "Gold" version:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RITC-72 ... 51711.html

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Eacheng does not sell this (it's from Playa) and it's twice the price (~$29). Too expensive to try on a whim.

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I didn't know they had a gold version. What's the difference?

The original is definitely a short pip, not medium. A very soft rubber, a bit too much so for my tastes, but fast (by Chinese standards).


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Thank you.

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iskandar taib wrote:
Speaking of Ito, I was just watching this just now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N7Dbj8iFFc

Goodness gracious... that backhand. Though in the last few points it was the forehand crosscourt drive that did most of the damage.
What Chinese rubber would be similar? 802-40?

Iskandar


The very problematic point is the sponge underlayer. Moristo SP rubber is coupled with German ESN porous sponge, 30 degree by japanese hardness scale.
Of all the china-made rubber products, 729 Mistery III porous sponge looks the closest resemblance of the ESN bubbly sponge.
I took some excursion all over Ali Express market, and my happy find is the 563 Mistery III, the porous sponge with 40 hardness index. (equal to japanese 30 degree index).

I strongly believe 563 Mystery model is the very true anologue of the Moristo SP,
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And yes, LEGEND 105 looks another candidate quiet worthy for me to try.

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nathanso wrote:
Maybe ITO is using the new Moristo SP Ax? viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33677 The Ax version has horizontal pips and can generate plenty of spin.


Ichiro Ogimura's memorable teaching was as follows
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Change notning in your playing performance while winning,
and look to change something when you got defeated.


Ito Mima still goes on winning .... Yes.


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 Post subject: Re: moristo sp
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lasta wrote:
I didn't know they had a gold version. What's the difference?

The original is definitely a short pip, not medium. A very soft rubber, a bit too much so for my tastes, but fast (by Chinese standards).


I've absolutely no idea.. :lol: Maybe someone who reads Chinese BBSs could tell us. I do know it costs twice as much.

There are all sorts of mystery "upgrade" rubbers out there - for instance, there's a "national version" of MX-P being sold, with the German flag on the front of the package. Which "national" team was it made for? Something I read some time ago claimed it was for the Chinese national team. Who actually uses it? No one in the top 20 as far as I can tell (unless it's Samsonov and I doubt he uses it, since he's not Chinese - unless he buys it off the retailers..).

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igorponger wrote:

I strongly believe 563 Mystery model is the very true anologue of the Moristo SP,


It is, however, medium pips. 105 is also listed as such but might not be.

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