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PostPosted: 08 Nov 2020, 23:34 
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I have made 3 setups, and then set it up against each other.

All setups have 100% same forehand and same backhand the only thing there is change, is the blade.
The three blade is:
Dr Neubauer - Matador off-
Der Materialspezialist - The Wall def-
Sauer & Tröger - Unicorn all-

Forehand:
Stiga DNA Pro S, 1.9mm, red, Glued with Andro Free glue.

Backhand:
Sauer & Tröger Hellfire X, ox, black, glued with adhesive foil fom Der Materialspezialist.

My playstyle is a combi of def and off, where a lot of my game is disruptive. I try to damage my opponents game, and frustrated her game.
I love spinreversal more than anything else, and i love the control when i have to take service.
Then i also love the control in the game, when i can control my opponent, and i can build the game when i like it.
And of course... i love to go back, and then chop again, and again, and again with a lot of control, and effect.

I have played a lot with a guy who have about 2000 rating in Denmark, and is a good clean looper in both forehand and backhand.
Then i also have played a bit against a Newgy Robopong 2050, when i can see the spinreversal, when i return a heavy spinny ball, and then see it bounch back again.

Dr Neubabuer - Matador.
This blade give SO much spinreversal, SO much.
It is also very fast, and very hard, and then the control isnt there.
I think this blade is excellent when you have to only play on spinreversal, and then just laying the ball back.
The forehand here is nice, and have the "modern" speed. So there is nothing to say her... it works.
1-100
Speed: 90
Control: 70
Spinreversal: 100

Der Materialspezialst - The Wall.
This is a slow blade, and it is very soft, and take the speed off the ball on every stroke.
The spinreversal is good on this blade, but not at all so good at the Matador. -When the matador has 100% Spinreversal, this The Wall has about 60%.
On the chop away from the table, and on the active block close to the table, the spinreversal go higher and we are now talking about 70%.
The control is so high on this blade... soooo high. It is surely because of the low speed. You can chop with so much control, and place the ball exactly where you want.
On blocks close to the table the control is also very high, and you can control and feel the ball very well, and even the hard spinny loops, you can block short and low to the net.
Forehand on this blade is also slow, and high control. It takes me a long time to make a good loop with this forehand, because of the ultra low speed.
1-100
Speed: 40
Control: 100
Spinreversal: 70

Sauer & Tröger - Unicorn
Then we have the unicorn. And a very strange blade. I have not seen this treefibre used on a allround blade before.
The blade is a bit hard, and have a high sound when i bounch the ball on the blade without rubbers.
But in the game, this blade change character. It is like a soft allround blade, with massive control.
The spinreversal is very close to the Matador, but with slower speed and more control.
The passive blocks are easy to do, and the active blocks make so much spinreversal.
On the chops away from the table, it has the same control as The Wall. Very easy to chop with, and massive spinreversal.
Forehand on this blade is also like the Matador... the "modern" forehand speed is here, and it is easy to loop with, and make a lot of spin.
One thing this blade is better at, than the two others, is attack... it is much, much easier to attack on underspin, and highballs. So crispy and good speed and control.
I think this is the best blade for Long OX pips i ever tried... and i promise, i have really tried a lot. I think the hard surface on this Unicorn gives so much to the pips.
1-100
Speed: 70 - it feels like it has more speed in the forehand, than the backhand. Think the blade absorb the speed on OX rubbers? Then i will say Forehand 85, Backhand 60.
Control: 95
Spinreversal: 98

I hope this gives a lot of information about these blades.
The time i have trained is about 3x3hours with some intensive times, and then with some fun times, where i have tried some things.
I think this blade will be a legend, exactly like the Nittaku Shake Defence.
4 of my training buddies have now bought this blade, and waiting on it will arrive.

Best regards.
Morten Nissen
Denmark


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PostPosted: 10 Nov 2020, 03:50 
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Thank you for an excellent comparative review of Hellfire X on three types of blades with a different speed rating.
I obtained Hellfire and Unicorn somewhere in June once Table Tennis 11 had a stock on it.
I tested Hellfire X on a few dozen of different blades including Matador and based on my personal opinion
and an opinion of my mates who are a skilled users of OX long pimples the combination Hellfire X with Unicorn is the best
set up for an all-round application of long pimples (passive block, chop block,
chopping away from the table and attack by hitting or lifting) in the last 10 years.
I can sign your every word regarding Unicorn blade. It is a real gem :Chop: :topspin: :Defense: :up: :D


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PostPosted: 10 Nov 2020, 05:54 
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Blade: Nittaku Shake Defense
FH: Nittaku Fastarc C-1 1.8mm
BH: Hellfire X OX
I can't speak to the Unicorn blade because it's too heavy for me, but I would say that the S&T Hellfire X (OX) on the Nittaku Shake Defence is also a great combination.

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IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Spinlord Waran 1.8mm; BH: Giant Dragon Snowflake OX


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PostPosted: 10 Nov 2020, 10:02 
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TraditionalTradesman wrote:
I can't speak to the Unicorn blade because it's too heavy for me, but I would say that the S&T Hellfire X (OX) on the Nittaku Shake Defence is also a great combination.


I have no doubts that a set up with Unicorn (weight: ~ 86 g; dimensions: 153 x 151 mm) is sufficiently lighter than set up with NSD blade (weight: ~85 g;
dimensions: 168 x 162 mm) due to an extra weight of a larger cut of rubbers coverings on NSD.
The Unicorn is a stiff blade as NSD but has a much harder outer ply made out of mansonia wood (yanka hardness 1290). Outer ply of NSD made of Hinoki
(yanka hardness 510). Same time Unicorn has a better dampening, reversal and lover speed on the backend. But forehand works well with any tensor rubber.
I tested Tibhar Evolution MX-S 1.9mm which on Unicorn has nice control and offensive level of speed. My friend plays boosted Hurricane 3 National which
provides everything what this rubber provides on an offensive blade.
TT, once you will try Unicorn with Hellfire X then you won't look back.


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PostPosted: 11 Nov 2020, 02:33 
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Blade: Nittaku Shake Defense
FH: Nittaku Fastarc C-1 1.8mm
BH: Hellfire X OX
redspot wrote:
I have no doubts that a set up with Unicorn (weight: ~ 86 g; dimensions: 153 x 151 mm) is sufficiently lighter than set up with NSD blade (weight: ~85 g; dimensions: 168 x 162 mm) due to an extra weight of a larger cut of rubbers coverings on NSD.
The Unicorn is a stiff blade as NSD but has a much harder outer ply made out of mansonia wood (yanka hardness 1290). Outer ply of NSD made of Hinoki (yanka hardness 510). Same time Unicorn has a better dampening, reversal and lover speed on the backend. But forehand works well with any tensor rubber. I tested Tibhar Evolution MX-S 1.9mm which on Unicorn has nice control and offensive level of speed. My friend plays boosted Hurricane 3 National which provides everything what this rubber provides on an offensive blade. TT, once you will try Unicorn with Hellfire X then you won't look back.


The NSD is not 85 grams. It's in the high 70s at most. (According to these sources, it's around 79 grams: https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng ... efence-st; https://pingpongshop.eu/table-tennis-bl ... defence-st)

Also, I prefer oversized blades. This is especially the case because the ABS ball reacts very strongly to slight sidespin, so I find there is a need for the extra surface area to create a margin of error.

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III. Re-Impact Smart; FH: TSP Spinpips RED 2.1mm; BH: Dr. Neubauer Gangster OX
IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Spinlord Waran 1.8mm; BH: Giant Dragon Snowflake OX


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PostPosted: 11 Nov 2020, 05:30 
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I played an opponent at a tournament this weekend who used Hellfire X. It did seem like a good all around pip. I wouldn't say that it had a lot of spin reversal. However, his control with it was very good, he could attack with it well, and it was tricky to get the proper timing against it. Reminded me of being similar to something like Dr Neubauer Gangster. I don't know what blade he was using.

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Blade: S&T Black & White
FH: Armstrong SH-I 1.8
BH: S&T Hellfire OX
I am trying Hellfire X on S&T Black & White. I have had some tennis elbow and Unicorn would be too heavy for me. Black & White is very light. At present I still like the old Hellfire better, it seems to have more control. But I have had very little practice since Covid and I will keep trying Hellfire X as I start to play more.

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Blade: Nittaku Shake Defense
FH: Nittaku Fastarc C-1 1.8mm
BH: Hellfire X OX
The official long pips rap from the folks that brought you the Hellfire X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho_EDLT ... r%C3%B6ger

Wish I understood German ... but even if you don't, you can tell this is good.

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II. Re-Impact Turbo; FH: Spinlord Sandwind 1.5mm; BH: DMS Kamikaze OX
III. Re-Impact Smart; FH: TSP Spinpips RED 2.1mm; BH: Dr. Neubauer Gangster OX
IV. Sauer & Troger Firestarter; FH: Spinlord Waran 1.8mm; BH: Giant Dragon Snowflake OX


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PostPosted: 18 Nov 2020, 07:06 
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:rofl:

This is HILARIOUS!!!

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