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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2011, 17:52 
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Do you hold the bat using normal grip pressure? Or do you try to hold the bat as loosely as possible?

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mynamenotbob wrote:
Do you hold the bat using normal grip pressure? Or do you try to hold the bat as loosely as possible?


As loose as possible, but with the tip of my thumb pressing against the blade steadily at the time of impact.


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mynamenotbob wrote:
Do you hold the bat using normal grip pressure? Or do you try to hold the bat as loosely as possible?


As loose as possible, but with the tip of my thumb pressing against the blade steadily at the time of impact.


That sounds a bit like systema :)

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thsi kind of systema ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PKfW2R6x_E

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Heck yes sire.
It is one of my foundation for my table tennis esp. the flow of movement and relaxation (very important for defenders) :D
I also apply Systema's efficient power transfer in my strokes, making them deadly whenever necessary 8)

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there is a guy who practises either zen or budhism and hes always very calm and quick to return any shot

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mynamenotbob wrote:
Do you hold the bat using normal grip pressure? Or do you try to hold the bat as loosely as possible?


Yes generally loose, but it all depends on what ball, what position, etc. I think its all very instinctive reactions that need to be built into it. Most the time I don't think about the shot, I just play it.

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I think its all very instinctive reactions that need to be built into it. Most the time I don't think about the shot, I just play it.

Agree 100%. And this has only just started coming to me naturally since I've stayed with the same set-up for a period of time.

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I loose my grip only during a prepared slow block, otherwise it is rather rigid.


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...just noticed this post and was about to pose the same question to other chop blockers.

I vary my grip pressure depending on incoming speed and spin, and whether my oponent is pushing the ball back, looping, fast looping, or flat hitting.

To get the most reversal on very fast balls and to deaden as best you can, I suggest a very loose grip. But with practice, you may want to return some of the same balls with a medium or hard grip.

All this variance will help to improve your game, but it takes considerable practice ...kind'a like twiddling (though easier to master). If you are just learning the tecniques, or trying to improve, I strongly suggest you try some very loose grip returns on blocks you take right off the table (on spinny, fast loops) ...you'll be surprised at the reversal increase achieved, and your ability to shorten the return.

...part of the deception of chop blocking is the appearence that you are not doing anything different stroke to stroke, when in fact, you are dictating the amount of reversal ...can't tell you how many points I win against strong (over 2,000) payers with "fake spin" pushes after a legitimate heavy push, or with heavy reversal on a chop block taken right off the table with a very loose grip.

Changing grip, or "faking" spin is especially effective at the end of long rally when your opponent has been "programmed" that a certain motion by you induces "x" amount of spin. The main difference I've noticed between 2,000 and 2400+ rated attackers, is that the later is patient and selects a ball that he knows the spin of to either kill or fast loop down the "other side". At high levels, changing grip, changing spin and "faking" shots is really a chess match that is a lot of fun and can fustrate your opposition to the point where they ask to take another look at your raquet.


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fishlips soup wrote:
...just noticed this post and was about to pose the same question to other chop blockers.

I vary my grip pressure depending on incoming speed and spin, and whether my oponent is pushing the ball back, looping, fast looping, or flat hitting.

To get the most reversal on very fast balls and to deaden as best you can, I suggest a very loose grip. But with practice, you may want to return some of the same balls with a medium or hard grip.

All this variance will help to improve your game, but it takes considerable practice ...kind'a like twiddling (though easier to master). If you are just learning the tecniques, or trying to improve, I strongly suggest you try some very loose grip returns on blocks you take right off the table (on spinny, fast loops) ...you'll be surprised at the reversal increase achieved, and your ability to shorten the return.

...part of the deception of chop blocking is the appearence that you are not doing anything different stroke to stroke, when in fact, you are dictating the amount of reversal ...can't tell you how many points I win against strong (over 2,000) payers with "fake spin" pushes after a legitimate heavy push, or with heavy reversal on a chop block taken right off the table with a very loose grip.

Changing grip, or "faking" spin is especially effective at the end of long rally when your opponent has been "programmed" that a certain motion by you induces "x" amount of spin. The main difference I've noticed between 2,000 and 2400+ rated attackers, is that the later is patient and selects a ball that he knows the spin of to either kill or fast loop down the "other side". At high levels, changing grip, changing spin and "faking" shots is really a chess match that is a lot of fun and can fustrate your opposition to the point where they ask to take another look at your raquet.

This is a really interesting and insightful post. Very good points. Also noticed it was your first post. Welcome to the forum.

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I gotta try this varying grip thing. I might do it unconsciously, but I mostly chop and block maybe once to get into the chopping game. I should really practice close to the table blocking more just as a change of tactic for people who are passive against defenders.

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fishlips soup wrote:
...just noticed this post and was about to pose the same question to other chop blockers.

I vary my grip pressure depending on incoming speed and spin, and whether my oponent is pushing the ball back, looping, fast looping, or flat hitting.

To get the most reversal on very fast balls and to deaden as best you can, I suggest a very loose grip. But with practice, you may want to return some of the same balls with a medium or hard grip.

All this variance will help to improve your game, but it takes considerable practice ...kind'a like twiddling (though easier to master). If you are just learning the tecniques, or trying to improve, I strongly suggest you try some very loose grip returns on blocks you take right off the table (on spinny, fast loops) ...you'll be surprised at the reversal increase achieved, and your ability to shorten the return.

...part of the deception of chop blocking is the appearence that you are not doing anything different stroke to stroke, when in fact, you are dictating the amount of reversal ...can't tell you how many points I win against strong (over 2,000) payers with "fake spin" pushes after a legitimate heavy push, or with heavy reversal on a chop block taken right off the table with a very loose grip.

Changing grip, or "faking" spin is especially effective at the end of long rally when your opponent has been "programmed" that a certain motion by you induces "x" amount of spin. The main difference I've noticed between 2,000 and 2400+ rated attackers, is that the later is patient and selects a ball that he knows the spin of to either kill or fast loop down the "other side". At high levels, changing grip, changing spin and "faking" shots is really a chess match that is a lot of fun and can fustrate your opposition to the point where they ask to take another look at your raquet.

Great post fishlips soup! Welcome to the forum! :up:

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