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PostPosted: 08 Jul 2013, 14:36 
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There is a review of this rubber on the Sauer & Tröger Facebook page. I don't have time to translate it at the moment, but basically they say all the shots work and the rubber has potential. What I found interesting was at the end they say a Tachi/Grass D.Tecs player tried Hellfire against no-spin balls (which famously give D.Tecs players grief) and the guy was allegedly really impressed.

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Wir haben nun einen ersten ausführlichen Testbericht von Hans Peter Baumgartner, der den Hellfire OX mit Klebefolie auf einem Nittaku Shake Defence Holz testete:

"... im Gegensatz zu vielen anderen, die hier Mutmaßungen oder "Gehörtes" zum besten geben, kann ich es seit heute Abend sagen:

ICH HAB DAS DING AUCH SELBER GESPIELT !


... Pascal war so nett und hat sich mit mir 2 Stunden an den Tisch gestellt und ich habe eine 1/4 Stunde davon habe ich auch mit dem heiligen Grahl in Form des brennenden Höllenfeuers gespielt.

Das corpus delicti klebte (wie immer bei Pascal) auf einem NSD mit einem Adidas Blaze Spin auf der VH.
Viele werden nun sagen, dass das wenig aussagekräftig ist, weil das NSD nicht mein aktuelles Spielholz ist, aber da ich das NSD selber 1 Saison lang gespielt habe, bilde ich mir ein das Brett recht gut zu kennen.

Ich habe in den letzten Jahren viele Noppen getestet und auch viele wieder weg gelegt. Im Prinzip lief es dauerhaft immer auf die gleichen 3 Noppen heraus: D.Tecs, Talon oder in der vergangenen Saison Blitzschlag.

Bei all den unzähligen Noppen, die ich getestet habe, hatte ich seit langem mal wieder den Eindruck: Das Ding taugt was !

Der Belag überzeugt vor allem bei allen Schlägen, die aktiv ausgeführt werden.
Liften und Druckschupf klappt sicher und gefährlich (hier geht denke ich EINIGES MEHR mit etwas Training, aber was auf Anhieb klappte, konnte Überzeugen).
Abstecher und Hackblock war kein Problem nach kurzer Eingewöhnung. Abgestochene Topspins (auch wenn Pascals Topspins mit einem NI-Belag keine Rotationsraketen sind !) haben eine gute Portion Unterschnitt --> Ball läuft auf dem Boden merklich zurück.
Annahme von Rollaufschlägen funktioniert Problemlos.

Lange Abwehr ist nicht mein Steckenpferd, aber ich habe versucht (und wirklich nur VERSUCHT!) die Abwehrsense von Pascal anzuziehen: Ging nicht ! Es landete alles im Netz.

Gegen ankommenden Schnitt empfand ich den Belag als nicht besonders empfindlich.

Auf der anderen Seite des Tisches angekommen (in Pascals linker Hand), konnte ich dann sehen, was wirklich geht mit dem Lappen.
Aufgefallen ist mit eine wirklich bisweilen unruhige Flugbahn und auch Bälle, die ich locker als zu lang einschätze, dann aber doch noch auf die Weiße Linie fielen.

Mein Fazit: Der Belag hat Potential. Ich freue mich auf mein bestelltes Exemplar und erwäge ernsthaft vom Blitzschlag auf diesen Belag zu wechseln. "

Kleiner Nachtrag noch: Parallel dazu war noch ein mir wohlbekannter Spieler in der Halle (Tachi mit Hexer+ und D.TecS ox). Der nahm nach mir den Schläger von Pascal in die Hand und versuchte sich direkt an dem Schlag, der für ihn mit dem D.TecS am schwersten ist und zu selten klappt: Offensives ankontern von leeren Bällen. Auch er war wirklich beeindruckt von der Sicherheit und den Möglichkeiten, die der Belag bietet."

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Got it.
Will take it for test drive tonight.

Since it has glue sheet, I'll try to use 1 blade for testing.
What kind of blade fits Hellfire best?

Right now I'm looking at Nittaku Ludeack or Darker 5P-2A.

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Bogeyhunter wrote:
Got it.
Will take it for test drive tonight.

Since it has glue sheet, I'll try to use 1 blade for testing.
What kind of blade fits Hellfire best?

Right now I'm looking at Nittaku Ludeack or Darker 5P-2A.


I have played it on a TSP Break 9 and a Nittaku Shake DEF. Both work well. If I were you I would choose the Darker blade.

Sebastian prefers fast balsa blades.

We will also produce own blades for our brand in the next months.
Every blade will be fit with the HELLFIRE and we will test it with the new plastic ball.

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Interesting news about the blades, any more info on that ?

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Elvis56 wrote:
Interesting news about the blades, any more info on that ?


Not at the moment. We will give further informations on http://www.sauerundtroeger.de in the next months. We have now plastic balls, so we can play and develop the blades with it.

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Unfortunately, we didn't organise a test on our french and belgium forum as we already do for others brands but the first reviews are mostly interesting and giving good results.

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so what abt those tests?
done yet?
in my experience of this pip (ofc red OX):
-deception very good
-control average (similar as 388D-1, there are better, less sensitive to spin eg. palio, p3r, dhs cf3)
-speed average (more than p1r, less than palio)

for my its nothing special, behaves similar to Globe Mo wang II and Giant Dragon Meteorite (and those are less expensive) so Hellfire it's not worth the price for me

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garbol wrote:
so what abt those tests?
done yet?
in my experience of this pip (ofc red OX):
-deception very good
-control average (similar as 388D-1, there are better, less sensitive to spin eg. palio, p3r, dhs cf3)
-speed average (more than p1r, less than palio)

for my its nothing special, behaves similar to Globe Mo wang II and Giant Dragon Meteorite (and those are less expensive) so Hellfire it's not worth the price for me


I'm not seeing reviews on the forum from the testers, but there is a fair bit of discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=22474&p=286067#p286067

I played a friend a while back who was using Hellfire on a slow S&T blade. Against me, pip to pip, he got the advantage - which is often the case with slow pip setup vs. fast pip setup - I floated too many long. But against my 2x inverted partner it didn't work well at all. So my friend has gone back to Dtecs.

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RebornTTEvnglist wrote:
garbol wrote:
so what abt those tests?
done yet?
in my experience of this pip (ofc red OX):
-deception very good
-control average (similar as 388D-1, there are better, less sensitive to spin eg. palio, p3r, dhs cf3)
-speed average (more than p1r, less than palio)

for my its nothing special, behaves similar to Globe Mo wang II and Giant Dragon Meteorite (and those are less expensive) so Hellfire it's not worth the price for me


I'm not seeing reviews on the forum from the testers, but there is a fair bit of discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=22474&p=286067#p286067

I played a friend a while back who was using Hellfire on a slow S&T blade. Against me, pip to pip, he got the advantage - which is often the case with slow pip setup vs. fast pip setup - I floated too many long. But against my 2x inverted partner it didn't work well at all. So my friend has gone back to Dtecs.

the same reason i changed palio ck531a to TSP curl p3 alpha r which is softer and slower
(cause its easier with low/no spins balls) + its easier to add some spin
thx for link
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