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I came to realise that my pimples in ox perform differently according to the rubber I use on my forehand.Also, even if I use the same rubber but in different mm the performance varies as well .

I´d like to know if you have had that impression too. Besides, for me , the weight of the blade + rubber must be the lightest possible, which is affected by the thickness of the rubber .

Have you experienced a better or worse performance of the same pips depending on the fh rubber? ...... thanks !!

I'm using short pips on sponge on the BH but I also noticed that the FH rubber affects the feeling of the pips. I didn't notice that when I was using a double inverted setup.

Absolutely the FH rubber affects the BH pips. Somehow the weight distribution has a great affect for me on how the pips play.

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I've noticed this as well! I wonder if there's any rhyme or reason to it, e.g. a dense sponged heavier inverted on the other side will make the pips feel slower while a lighter rubber will make them feel faster. Or maybe it's all in our heads?

Probably a bit of both

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Same here guys. Just changed inverted FH rubber from 2.1mm to 1.8mm thickness. Using the same OX pips on the BH. Pips now do not not feel the same at all. Softer and slower before and faster/springy now. It is just one of those things...

Interesting thread

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Glue-effect forehand rubbers have a noticeable trampoline effect on OX long pip performance. Forehand rubbers with really hard sponges work a lot better. Also the so-called "energy absorbing" sponges are good.

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Yes absolutely. On impact, you feel the entire combination of 2 rubbers and the blade. Although your backhand rubber would have a bigger impact on your forehand than vice versa because the impact sensation/vibration feedback felt by the index finger. An OX pips under the index finger will make your forehand feel more direct than 2 side inverted.

This discussion can also lead to asymmetrical blades (ie the new ALC/ZLC) combos not making too much difference, or an off+ forehand and de- backhand is simply not possible (at least without sacrificing impact sensation excessively).

PS I decided to switch to single sided penhold partially because everything feels MUCH better/crisper/more direct without a rubber on the backside.

There's a guy here who still uses the bare wood on the back side of his penhold bat, just the same as he's been doing since he was in high school (and it was perfectly legal to do so). Actually, it's not really bare wood - it's got a "color sheet" on it.. in this case that "carbon fiber" vinyl decal material some people use for decoration on cars (I made up the racket for him). If you think long pips reverses spin, you haven't seen what bare wood can do.. Once in a while he'll forget himself and smack the ball really hard with it.. when we were using celluloid balls he'd break the occasional ball doing this, but he hasn't managed to break a D40+ yet...

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One of the advantages of using anti with dampening sponge on the FH is that the pips are affected in a way in which the ball has more dwell time on the pips ,.... and also , the speed is slowed down as well .....
The disadvantage is Fh attack is only possible on high balls,..... but if you use your bh 95% of the time it should be no problem ...

Just say people don't like playing against me,..because my setup is unusual and inconvenient, with lots of low slow balls,...attacks with anti consist of nasty , low , no spin balls,.... short blocks make people lose their timing ,..... and back spin is always attacked with a fast, low flight sinking ball,.....

Your set up sounds brutal! I would love to play you and watch your game!!!

One of the advantages of using anti with dampening sponge on the FH is that the pips are affected in a way in which the ball has more dwell time on the pips ,.... and also , the speed is slowed down as well .....
The disadvantage is Fh attack is only possible on high balls,..... but if you use your bh 95% of the time it should be no problem ...

Just say people don't like playing against me,..because my setup is unusual and inconvenient, with lots of low slow balls,...attacks with anti consist of nasty , low , no spin balls,.... short blocks make people lose their timing ,..... and back spin is always attacked with a fast, low flight sinking ball,..... [/quote]

Your set up sounds brutal! I would love to play you and watch your game!!![/quote]

.... Been to a great tournament with great loopers and people who love smashing the ball ..... and they said I was a nightmare for them,.... because my set up makes them think a lot , which causes psychological tiredness and in some cases anger and rage..... many of them got lost during the game when I twiddled with anti, attacked with the pips,...then,.... used the pips again to attack the next high ball with the anti.........

Also, when they were comfortable serving to my pips for a second ball attack,I changed my strategy and recieved the balll with the anti making them confused and throwing their strategy into disarray.This is what usually happens to us,long pip users , when the opponent continuously serves long / short no spin balls ,....they abuse their strastegy because we do not have a PLAN B ,.... so they usually " kill " us on that weak second long ball,.... to avoid this, we need to change our strategy during the game and give back a second ball with inverted/ anti,...chop the ball or push it intelligently but pushing is difficult because the pips lose control even on def blades,.. I made many mistakes even if I trained a lot,..and knowing what to do with that no spin ball , either long or short ,....

I played against a very good looper, I'd say 2500-2800 US rating , and he used a very intelligent strategy,...he served strong back spin to the middle of the table,..when I used the pips I could not send a low ball because it was fast and loaded with heavy back spin,....he , then, made the same serve but disguised the movement and send a no spin ball,...always to the middle of the table,.... MY DG just sent easy balls for him to attack,.... so I changed to plan B,.. and used Spinlord Gigant, either sidewiping , pushing, chopping,... and he started to suffer and not being able to attack the second ball he got lost in the rally with DG and the attack with the anti,....

I lost by a low margin,yes, because I failed in the crucial moments ....... all I know is he had to play at his full potential and live a nightmare ..I was happy anyway, knowing what I have to improve on....this is the path to enlightment,... lose against high skilled players to become better defenders

Completely agree.

I have been testing Spinlord Marder in 1.0 and I must say that due to the slow ,soft sponge the pips have a much better control with the no spin ball than with Nittaku Moristo DF 1.2.

Nittaku Moristo DF 1.2 is a great rubber for pushing , blocking and topspin.Even on 1.2 the speed is decent thanks to the tensor sponge.However, this tensor sponge makes the pips perform a bit worse than the Marder as far as the no spin ball goes in pushes . For blocking the pips work the same with both rubbers .

So my theory is that tensor sponges on the fh rubber are not ideal for the pip pushing game with the pips close to the table .If you do rely on the pip game and do not twiddle or attack with the inverted, maybe the smartest move is not to use a tensor sponge on the fh rubber , even if it is too soft .