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 Post subject: Butterfly ilius s/b
PostPosted: 09 Sep 2021, 00:15 
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there's two new long pips coming in November 2021, lots of information in bty website https://www.butterfly-global.com/en/product/ilius/


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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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I just looked through all the specs... and still have no clue what S & B stand for. Both rubbers seem way too similar and there is just too much "technical" info provided. I think they are saying S is for choppers while B is more of an all-around focused rubber but I could be wrong.

This is a marketing failure in my books |(

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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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I look forward to seeing what people think when they try it. As stated above the marketing is terrible lol

So essentially in OX they're the exact same. They do state as thin and long as the rules allow though which is interesting. But they don't say anything about the friction. Just hard topsheet.

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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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This sort of reminds me of the Stiga Horizontal/Vertical 20/55 marketing where it's the same topsheet but with different orientations & sponge thicknesses, though they've omitted the orientation change.

To my understanding, a brief overview would be:
- "hard" topsheet (does that mean stiff pips? That'd be surprising)
- Max length pips
- Both have hard sponges, but S (45*) is a little softer than B (48*)
- Even though they're hard, the sponges purportedly have good dampening effects (inelastic?)
- S is designed for a more traditional chopping game (very good at pushing & chopping), B is designed for disruption & close-to-the-table work

Maybe this is Butterfly's entry for long pips with the plastic ball? Outside of choppers who have been using FLII or FLIII for years, I don't see many choppers using Butterfly's long pips. I wonder if this is for choppers who are sponsored by Butterfly, but don't want to use FLII/FLIII. The harder sponge might make it more similar to something like P1-r, but it's impossible to say without having a sheet to compare.

God knows what S & B actually stand for. Could mean something in Japanese or could just be nonsense!


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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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S = spin
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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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merlin el mago wrote:
S = spin
B = block


That... actually makes a lot of sense. Huh


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I had a chance to try them already 8) so here you have a video review if you feel like checking how they felt for me :) https://youtu.be/0J-DY5B3H0Q


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I had a chance to try them already 8) so here you have a video review if you feel like checking how they felt for me :) https://youtu.be/0J-DY5B3H0Q


Thanks for the review! I would love to see some matches from you too. Any way I can find vids of you playing on YouTube?
EDIT: Sorry shame on me. Just seen who you're. Had no idea you played with LPs on BH

Also how do you compare these LPs to FL2? The sponges are supposedly harder than FL2 which is supposedly a lot harder than FL3

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Hi, Galia

Greetings from Volga River.
Russian female cadet champion currently using Dornenglantz Ox pips in red.
Impressive playing skills, indeed.



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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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Hi, Galia

Greetings from Volga River.
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Impressive playing skills, indeed.



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I didn't see any special.

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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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I had a chance to try them already 8) so here you have a video review if you feel like checking how they felt for me :) https://youtu.be/0J-DY5B3H0Q


Thanks for your Review Galia, I guess you don't know how to make chop-block close to the table, and for people here it's very important to know how goes Illius B using chop block close to the table.

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Tried a 0.5 Ilius S yesterday for ~1.5 hours in a Victas Yuto Muramatsu, initial impressions are:

- Sponge is very dead and absorbent, takes out a lot of pace out of the ball, almost like a dampening heavy foam
- The pips are quite stiff, the rubber might need some time to break in, I could not put much backspin in pushes (been playing with p4, nothing close to that).
- Pips have some grippy, but with the stiffness of them was hard to lift balls, had to open the blade a lot
- backspin in chops was quite high, probably not any more than P1r (will test p1r again soon to compare)

Here are some close up pictures next to a P1r https://imgur.com/a/1fuC3S4


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azv wrote:
Tried a 0.5 Ilius S yesterday for ~1.5 hours in a Victas Yuto Muramatsu, initial impressions are:

- Sponge is very dead and absorbent, takes out a lot of pace out of the ball, almost like a dampening heavy foam
- The pips are quite stiff, the rubber might need some time to break in, I could not put much backspin in pushes (been playing with p4, nothing close to that).
- Pips have some grippy, but with the stiffness of them was hard to lift balls, had to open the blade a lot
- backspin in chops was quite high, probably not any more than P1r (will test p1r again soon to compare)

Here are some close up pictures next to a P1r https://imgur.com/a/1fuC3S4

Have you played more with it and what are your impressions?


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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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Have you played more with it and what are your impressions?


I tied the Illius S 0.5 on a slower and softer blade (Innershield zlf), between the slow blade and the absorbing sponge chops were super slow, very controlable and great feedback when contacting the ball.

My partner commented that it was way easier for him to keep relooping my chops compared to the VKMO with p4. So more control, less dangerous balls.

I don’t really understand the goal of this pips, hard sponge and stiff pips need a soft blade to get some dwell time and it’s hard to get underspin in pushes like you can with fl3/p4 or even p1

I’ll give it a few more sessions hoping that the topsheet softens up


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 Post subject: Re: Butterfly ilius s/b
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Tried the B version in black in max sponge and on some Butterfly allround blade for about 15mins. Nothing special chopping but very good on passive and active blocking. Sponge absorbs incoming power very well, easy to return a nasty short ball with sink. Would suit closer to the table player.


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