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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2020, 07:34 
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That could be it then.
The pimples were very short and also wide, there was hardly a gap. They were brilliant and had so much control.
The company still makes them and but now abiding within the new rules. But they are nowhere near as good and look different.
I used to use Winning NP 1 (which is classed as an orthodox pimple, but without a backing) and I put on my own fast sponge.
Also Winning NP 8 were very similar and came already with sponge. But the pimples where slightly taller.
If I was clever enough I could send you photos cause I still have them in a box somewhere.
Also the ones that succeeded them.
Anyway anyone got any news about Victas 201
Although I have already ordered a sheet now to try.


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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2020, 09:27 
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ITTF have issued some reminder to all the equipment manufacturers, as follows:
ITTF Memo to all table tennis manufacturers wrote:
While our prime intention in publishing LARC list twice a year is to give a useful guidance on which products may be used in International play, we cannot guarantee that all of the products listed will continue to be authorised. From time to time we may find out that a sample has somewhat changed in its manufacture. If we are unable to persuade the involved manufacturer to make necessary adjustments to the products in question, we have no alternative but to discontinue the authorisation. When we do so, an announcement will appear in the Equipment section of the http://www.ittf.com/equipment and the current LARC list will be updated accordingly.

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There was a memorable accident back in 2002 that ITTF had withdrawn its approval of Butterfly Impartial pips-out version 17 for having unduly shorty stubs that lower than the minimum limit of 1.0 millimeter.
Butterfly reinstated the rubber in the year 2017, upon being renamed a little.

BUTTERFLY LARC 2019_A
023/ Impartial XS / Out
024/ Impartial XB / Out

/Be happy/


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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2020, 21:04 
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I think the original Winning NP 1 where also shorter than 1mm I think probably .75mm.
So that must be the reason. Very annoying as they were very good. So much control.


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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
PostPosted: 25 May 2020, 21:07 
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Hi there,

I bought a sheet of the vo102 in 1.8mm. I'd like to know if there is a big difference between 1.8 and 2.0, and between 1.8 and max. Do Thicker version of the sponge allow us to produce more spin ? Is there a big speed difference ?

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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
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Some of the thinner sponges are to slow in my opinion.
Before the lock down I had just started using Victas 102 with Max sponge.
I think it would be to slow in anything less.


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Rinforzando wrote:
Hi there,

I bought a sheet of the vo102 in 1.8mm. I'd like to know if there is a big difference between 1.8 and 2.0, and between 1.8 and max. Do Thicker version of the sponge allow us to produce more spin ? Is there a big speed difference ?


With short pips, the thinner sponges are faster when you smash. Thick sponges are easier to generate spin with, and are faster when you loop.


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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
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lasta wrote:
Rinforzando wrote:
Hi there,

I bought a sheet of the vo102 in 1.8mm. I'd like to know if there is a big difference between 1.8 and 2.0, and between 1.8 and max. Do Thicker version of the sponge allow us to produce more spin ? Is there a big speed difference ?


With short pips, the thinner sponges are faster when you smash. Thick sponges are easier to generate spin with, and are faster when you loop.
Dependent on blade speed since you're more likely to be bottoming out the thinner sponge/getting power from the blade itself. In my experience (owning both 1.8mm and max VO > 102 black), the latter is a little faster and a little spinnier than the former.. and 8g heavier uncut).


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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
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nathanso wrote:
lasta wrote:
Rinforzando wrote:
Hi there,

I bought a sheet of the vo102 in 1.8mm. I'd like to know if there is a big difference between 1.8 and 2.0, and between 1.8 and max. Do Thicker version of the sponge allow us to produce more spin ? Is there a big speed difference ?


With short pips, the thinner sponges are faster when you smash. Thick sponges are easier to generate spin with, and are faster when you loop.
Dependent on blade speed since you're more likely to be bottoming out the thinner sponge/getting power from the blade itself. In my experience (owning both 1.8mm and max VO > 102 black), the latter is a little faster and a little spinnier than the former.. and 8g heavier uncut).


Thanks for the answer! I guess I'll try both haha. Nathanso, are you still playing with the Victas VO> 102 as your main setup for fh ? If yes, wich thickness ?

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PostPosted: 31 May 2020, 18:01 
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Rinforzando wrote:
Hi there,

I bought a sheet of the vo102 in 1.8mm. I'd like to know if there is a big difference between 1.8 and 2.0, and between 1.8 and max. Do Thicker version of the sponge allow us to produce more spin ? Is there a big speed difference ?
thicker sponge will better in looping.at mid distance, thinner sponge will be better at close to the table, quick attack

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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
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How is the throw angle between Spinpips Red and Vo 102 ? I guess the throw angle of the Vo 102 is higher but the SRED has also a high throw angle ?

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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
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Rinforzando wrote:
How is the throw angle between Spinpips Red and Vo 102 ? I guess the throw angle of the Vo 102 is higher but the SRED has also a high throw angle ?
They are about the same. The Victas is louder and a little faster. The TSP is the king of incoming spin resistance and can take spin off the ball like nobody's business.


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 Post subject: Re: Victas VO > 102
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Well, just a little report there.
Most of the things I will say have already been covered but at least it will confirm them.

Spin (high to low): Vo102 > 802-40 >= Rakza po
Sponge hardness (Hard to soft): 802-40 > Rakza Po > Vo102
Arc (high to low): Vo102 > 802-40 >= Rakza Po
Speed: Vo102 >= Rakza Po > 802-40 (but it wasn't on the same blade so it may be false. 802-40 is the slowest in any case (both the normal one and the Mystery 3))
Spin sensibility: Vo102 > Rakza Po >= 802-40

Since I have a slick anti on the backhand, I need the spinniest sp on the fh for more versatility. So I will keep the Vo102. The Rakza Po wasn't bad at all, but there is just less spin (on serve and opening loops especially) than the Vo102. 802-40 isn't that bad, it's actually quite good too. But my main reproach is that the sponge is too hard, even on the Mystery 3, resulting in a very short dwell time. The ball doesn't bite well the sponge so it was harder than Vo102 and Rakza Po on opening loops.

I have a sheet of Spinpips red, but I don't think I will try it, I already bought 3 other Vo102 in various thickness lol.

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nathanso wrote:
Rinforzando wrote:
How is the throw angle between Spinpips Red and Vo 102 ? I guess the throw angle of the Vo 102 is higher but the SRED has also a high throw angle ?
They are about the same. The Victas is louder and a little faster. The TSP is the king of incoming spin resistance and can take spin off the ball like nobody's business.


what pips have better spin resistance?


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