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Anyone heard much about this new pimple by Spinlord? I'm getting a sample to test within a few weeks.

Here is the German description:

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The German version doesn't say anything like that. Sounds like they might have sent you the text for upcoming Spinlord Feuerstich by accident.

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They didn't send that english one to me... I googled it and that was the only one I found. I'll remove it as to not create confusion. Googling further I found a description from Japsko:

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I'd love to read what you think about these pimples, I've been looking for some feedback on them for a couple weeks now, but to no avail..

I'm already waiting for Xiom Zava, so I might end up purchasing these along with the new Haifu Dolphin if your review meet my hopes!
Can honestly say I need some more pimples to try, other than my new red 1.9 Flarestorm II

Here is the english description from the cover:



I tested it in 1.5, and I can play it very similar to an pips-in rubber. I only need about an hour to adjust angles and can now play much saver as with my rubber before (Joola Samba + in max.).
It will become my rubber for the next season. (allready ordered 2 spare rubbers if durability will not be so good )

Greetings Harald

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Blade1: BTY Andrzej Grubba ALL+ / FH: SpinLord Waran 2.0 / BH: S&T Hellfire OX
Blade2: Andro Fibercomp DEF / FH: SpinLord Degu 1,5 / BH: Desperado OX
Blade3: TSP Balsa Fitter 2.5 / FH: Joola Samba+ 2,0 / BH: SpinLord Dornenglanz ox
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Blade4: Joola Tony Hold White Spot / FH: Dawei Navigator GT 4A 1,2 / BH: Palio CK531a slick as an mirror for advanced education

I've been wanting to try this rubber. Did you also test it on your Andro FiberComp?

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My whole set-up costs less than a sheet of Butterfly Dignics

Not yet as the the fibercomps are only my spareblades. But from the recents tests the fibercomps and the fitter 2.5 are playing very similiar. The Fitter has an tick more feeling

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Blade1: BTY Andrzej Grubba ALL+ / FH: SpinLord Waran 2.0 / BH: S&T Hellfire OX
Blade2: Andro Fibercomp DEF / FH: SpinLord Degu 1,5 / BH: Desperado OX
Blade3: TSP Balsa Fitter 2.5 / FH: Joola Samba+ 2,0 / BH: SpinLord Dornenglanz ox
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Blade4: Joola Tony Hold White Spot / FH: Dawei Navigator GT 4A 1,2 / BH: Palio CK531a slick as an mirror for advanced education

Thanks for the feedback helsen, much appreciated!

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This the original text on the site (ttdd.de). Translated it reads:
The Spinlord Degu, allowed by the ITTF since 01.10.2012, is a newly developed short pip that is clearly different from other short pimpled rubbers. The pips are very broad, standing rather closely together, and have a slightly conical form. The pips [i.e. the surface; K] are textured extremely finely, whereas conventional pips are textured rather coarsely; this makes the rubber much grippier. At that, the topsheet is softer and more elastic as is the case with other brands. The sponge, being about 38 degrees, is also soft and has a good built-in glue-effect. The feeling when playing is on the whole clearly different from for instance Tuttle Summer 3C [which is similar to Friendship 802-40; K] whose sponge is softer still, but whose topsheet is harder.
The Spinlord Degu is quite insensitive to incoming spin and allows producing topspin. The disrupting effect is less than with other rubbers, but even so the Degu confuses the opponent much as it is possible to use the same strokes as with inverted rubbers, which then result in a slightly different trajectory (shorter curve).
The control of the Spinlord Degu is superb, which makes this rubber suitable for players of all classes.
The speed is given as 8.5 (which is slightly slower than Friendship 802-40 or 802, viz. 9), spin as 9.5 (which is even higher thanm the spin of the new Palio short pips), and control as 9 (which is awfully high compared to 7.5 for 802-40).
Values for control are really subjective, as one player may find an SP that is similar to inverted high in control, whereas another may find it low for the same reason. I also would take the claim of being insensitive to incoming spin not quite literally, and the statement that disruption is low as a bit of a warning.

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Now i have tested (and played) it with the fibercomps.
And as you can see in my signum I have change to this for my primary combo.
I have a lot more feeling and control with the fibercomps.
Strange because of this I have changed last year to Fitter 2.5
But new year - new rubber - old wood

Will test it the next months also with an Tony Hold White Spot and an Donic Cayman.
But I think it can not top the actual combo.

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Blade1: BTY Andrzej Grubba ALL+ / FH: SpinLord Waran 2.0 / BH: S&T Hellfire OX
Blade2: Andro Fibercomp DEF / FH: SpinLord Degu 1,5 / BH: Desperado OX
Blade3: TSP Balsa Fitter 2.5 / FH: Joola Samba+ 2,0 / BH: SpinLord Dornenglanz ox
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Blade4: Joola Tony Hold White Spot / FH: Dawei Navigator GT 4A 1,2 / BH: Palio CK531a slick as an mirror for advanced education

Any new opinions about this soft pips?

What about the spin on serves, topspin and pushes?

I'm going to give it a try in the coming week.

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Capoblanco

Blade: Dotec Ovtcharov All +

FH: Friendship 802-40 2mm
BH: DMS Transformer 1mm

At first i used Degu with 1.5 mm default sponge for a few sessions. I did not get used (or maybe did not want) to the speedglue effect. Because my concept of playing pips is "tricky", i replaced the original sponge with 1.5 mm Palio (purple 36-38°). Speed turned more linear, spin is nearly the same.
I used this setup for about 10 sessions (blade is Avalox BT550). The spin is close to thin Coppa (if you have a good touch). I can play the serves with the same technique as with my FH rubber (CTT National Hero 1,8). For serving, I only use backhand with both rubbers (but 80% the pips-in to protect my pips as a weapon).

Things i have to care for:
Degu with medium sponge is pretty close to a pips in rubber, anyway i've to learn playing pips. Sometimes you can hit (e.g. half-long backspin), but many pips-inside can do this as well. I can hit against some chops which I would have to loop with cj8000. Because of some insensibility to spin (again in contrast to cj8000) you switch your focus while returning from reading spin to your own placement.
On the other hand, you have to care a lot for the angles. Direction of the ball depends less on your opponent's spin, but more on the ball's direction during contact. Keep the blade square to the direction of the ball (in every dimension). When hitting close to the net against a slow ball, you can use some angle and motion into the ball to create little more sidespin and arc.
Using angles in fastplay is difficult. Assume the opponent plays FH-topspin from backhand to my backhand. Blocking longline with the pips could be a winner. With pips-in i'd aim simply down the line, with Degu (although it is close to pips-in) aiming is like mirroring: your bat reflects the angle of entry => I risk to miss the table at forehand. I feel like the risk increases, when the opponent uses little/no spin.

edit:
Capoblanco, will you use Degu as well as ox?
I assume with ox this won't be an issue, but... a training partner just told me, switching from pips-in to short pips would be useless. He himself played long pips on BH.
What is your expectation/experience? What level do you play?

edit2:
Please keep in mind: it is first time, that i use short pips seriously.
Previous years i played it sometimes just for fun. Some things i mentioned (angles e.g.) are just what you expect from short pips - i talked about this anyway, because it is often said, that Degu can be played just like inverted.

Very good tips there fbrams

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I'm not planning to use Degu in my BH, but I'm going to try it in my FH, replacing my Tenergy 25 1.7mm. I ordered a 1.8mm Degu.
I'm using my FH for spiny serves, pushes with underspin, blocks, hits and spiny loops.
I'm more or less a pusher, hiter. My best shot is my FH smash. I'm good on smashing true topspin and true low backspin.
Long time ago, I was very good smashing with short pips ox (Barna, a king of Orthodox pips).
My level is not bad. You can see me here, some years ago. The style is almost the same now.

N.B.: I'm the red shirt.

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Capoblanco

Blade: Dotec Ovtcharov All +

FH: Friendship 802-40 2mm
BH: DMS Transformer 1mm

Sounds very interessting. T25 has conic pips as well, right? So you are already used to medium-low throw.
Although spin is good with Degu, I expect it to be much less than T25. Serves will become for many opponents easier to loop. At first, serves are someway strange and ugly for opponents (different bounce), but many get used to this quickly. If you want to score with serves, you need good variation and very good placement.
On the other hand, I feel like you want to offer an attack to your opponent, so you can counter it?