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 Post subject: Re: DMS Firestorm Soft
PostPosted: 02 Jan 2022, 20:46 
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How does Firestorm Soft compared to Degu?

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 Post subject: Re: DMS Firestorm Soft
PostPosted: 02 Jan 2022, 23:12 
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comodoensis wrote:
How does Firestorm Soft compared to Degu?
Much faster, much softer sponge, pips are different, a little more grippy on Firestorm but not as conical and no ribbed top.

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 Post subject: Re: DMS Firestorm Soft
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Def-attack wrote:
comodoensis wrote:
How does Firestorm Soft compared to Degu?
Much faster, much softer sponge, pips are different, a little more grippy on Firestorm but not as conical and no ribbed top.


Thanks for your kind enlightenment :)

Currently I'm using Waran I 1.8mm sponge, while I find it a deadly weapon on forehand (sometimes I flip it for some quick 3rd ball attack or easy counter for some surprise :lol: ) , it is harder to fully utilized it on the backhand side, I don't have any idea whether it's too hard, or a change to a thinner sponge is needed, or perhaps due to my backhand stroke mechanisms which favors a soft, borderline mushy sponge even way back when I used inverted at the backhand side (mostly 35 degree DHS scale boosted, or 40 degree ESN scale or even lower. The softer, the better :rofl: )

And the bad news is, it's hard to get DMS products from where I live ;(

In case I decided to pick Degu I (which my regular shop says is easier to order it along with their restock schedule), what sponge thickness is favored for backhand side?

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 Post subject: Re: DMS Firestorm Soft
PostPosted: 05 Jan 2022, 01:40 
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I must say that it is Degu 2 I was comparing with. Degu is faster with some catapult effect. I would start with 1.5 mm.

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Def-attack wrote:
I must say that it is Degu 2 I was comparing with. Degu is faster with some catapult effect. I would start with 1.5 mm.


I terribly sorry for not mentioning which Degu I meant before :angel:

Again, thank you for your insight :)

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Waran is quite a difficult rubber to play with on the Bh as it requires full commitment to attack with few slow gears, rewarding and frustrating at the same time. The 1.8mm is lot more bouncy than 1.5mm which feels quite direct and hard and very spinny.

Degu is now a bit too mushy for the ABS ball and I would recommend instead the new Spinlord Nashorn in 1.5mm which I find has a lot more control than Waran and has a softer feel. See the Geblock TT video


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ChasFox wrote:
Waran is quite a difficult rubber to play with on the Bh as it requires full commitment to attack with few slow gears, rewarding and frustrating at the same time. The 1.8mm is lot more bouncy than 1.5mm which feels quite direct and hard and very spinny.

Degu is now a bit too mushy for the ABS ball and I would recommend instead the new Spinlord Nashorn in 1.5mm which I find has a lot more control than Waran and has a softer feel. See the Geblock TT video


That is what I feel with Waran on backhand, lack of low gears, very uncomfortable to do some rolls and topspin variations during rallies, while it is nice for agressive flat hits/drives and active blocking, so demanding, can't feel relaxed :(

Learning you said it feels mushy actually makes me more interested with Degu, since I currently use Yinhe pro 12s, the backhand side is koto-outer ALC, and it feels too direct compared to the forehand side (limba-inner kevlar carbon), I find it very comfortable when using anything soft, perhaps mushy for my preferred feel :rofl:

Anyway, regarding the sponge, between Degu and Nashorn, which one is softer?

Again, thank you for your kind insight ;)

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 Post subject: Re: DMS Firestorm Soft
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I would stay away from Degu now as it does not seem to work well with the heavy ABS ball and very soft sponge is lowish quality.

Nashorn is a firmer and higher quality in the sponge but feels quite soft overall due to the rubber used in the top sheet - unless you want to aggressively counter hit with topspin I can recommend it.

https://spinlord-tt.de/products/nashorn/

in 1.5mm I would only put on softish blades as it will bottom out and hard counter hits will go in the net or long. 1.8mm is probably best for harder blades. same would apply to Firestorm soft I would think.


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ChasFox wrote:
I would stay away from Degu now as it does not seem to work well with the heavy ABS ball and very soft sponge is lowish quality.

Nashorn is a firmer and higher quality in the sponge but feels quite soft overall due to the rubber used in the top sheet - unless you want to aggressively counter hit with topspin I can recommend it.

https://spinlord-tt.de/products/nashorn/

in 1.5mm I would only put on softish blades as it will bottom out and hard counter hits will go in the net or long. 1.8mm is probably best for harder blades. same would apply to Firestorm soft I would think.


I've given up using the Pro 12S, and go back to ITC challenge speed. Better match-up with Waran 1 on backhand side (I guess pips never goes wrong with any clipper-styled blade :rofl: ). Easy to vary between rolls and 'loop's during rallies, though a bit lack of grip especially against low spin/low power balls.

And of course, the softness of the sponge now can be clearly felt :lol:

I guess it' s time to save some pocket money to buy some spare ITC Challenge Speed, and try both Nashorn and Firestorm Soft :rock:

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 Post subject: Re: DMS Firestorm Soft
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comodoensis wrote:
ChasFox wrote:
I would stay away from Degu now as it does not seem to work well with the heavy ABS ball and very soft sponge is lowish quality.

Nashorn is a firmer and higher quality in the sponge but feels quite soft overall due to the rubber used in the top sheet - unless you want to aggressively counter hit with topspin I can recommend it.

https://spinlord-tt.de/products/nashorn/

in 1.5mm I would only put on softish blades as it will bottom out and hard counter hits will go in the net or long. 1.8mm is probably best for harder blades. same would apply to Firestorm soft I would think.


I've given up using the Pro 12S, and go back to ITC challenge speed. Better match-up with Waran 1 on backhand side (I guess pips never goes wrong with any clipper-styled blade :rofl: ). Easy to vary between rolls and 'loop's during rallies, though a bit lack of grip especially against low spin/low power balls.

And of course, the softness of the sponge now can be clearly felt :lol:

I guess it' s time to save some pocket money to buy some spare ITC Challenge Speed, and try both Nashorn and Firestorm Soft :rock:



How soft it is? Will break if I remove it from the blade?


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