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PostPosted: 30 Sep 2010, 12:27 
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I think I've missed something here. Speedplay, you raised this thread to discuss playing against these dead rubbers (good topic), but then you now say it may be a waste of time and focus because they're not allowed at regional level where you need to play better against different types of shots (not dead rubbers). It leaves me a little confused. :^)

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I suppose this is matter of lacking the experience. you learn to play against LP or anti by playing against them. old rubber is something between regular inverted and anti. it is type of rubber of its own, and to learn to play against it would need to train against it, just like with every other rubber. therefore it makes sense it should be banned, there is no much sense to have to train against used rubbers. although...someone could produce factory low-spin rubbers similar to old rubbers that would be interesting

I think that good tactics against such rubbers should be keeping the low spin game. if you play low spin against rubbers without much spin ability, then everything is more predictable to you and you are able to attack with less own mistakes


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This is a bad style matchup for combination bat players. Maybe better to play this particular guy with double inverted.

Are there any rubbers that play "dead" when they're new?

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mynamenotbob wrote:
This is a bad style matchup for combination bat players. Maybe better to play this particular guy with double inverted.

Are there any rubbers that play "dead" when they're new?


a rubber like Friendship 729 Super FX on a thin sponge can play very dead. on blocks and hits I mean.

I actually play a game with a lot of dead balls blocking,flipping and hitting very flat. Outlaw is nice rubber for this :rofl:

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RebornTTEvnglist wrote:
I think I've missed something here. Speedplay, you raised this thread to discuss playing against these dead rubbers (good topic), but then you now say it may be a waste of time and focus because they're not allowed at regional level where you need to play better against different types of shots (not dead rubbers). It leaves me a little confused. :^)


...and I thought it was just me :D

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I suppose this is matter of lacking the experience. you learn to play against LP or anti by playing against them. old rubber is something between regular inverted and anti. it is type of rubber of its own, and to learn to play against it would need to train against it, just like with every other rubber.


Speedplay you would probably benefit from playing against these rubbers to develop your own tactics, remembering every player is different even if they use the same blade and rubbers.

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...therefore it makes sense it should be banned, there is no much sense to have to train against used rubbers.


You are the ITTF's and every manufacture's friend :o


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I think that good tactics against such rubbers should be keeping the low spin game. if you play low spin against rubbers without much spin ability, then everything is more predictable to you and you are able to attack with less own mistakes


A very good suggestion to which I would also add slow speed to...

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speedplay wrote:
I don't want to spend time to practice my strokes against this particular style of rubber, cause that would probably mess up my game when I play against regular rubbers, which is far more common for me.


Fully understand regarding messing you up for other games. I and expect one or two others have found that league matches where you have to play a low/non spin player ie. LP / Anti followed by a spiny double reverse player is one of the harder transitions to make.

You get in the groove with one, only to find it needs a total rethink for the second.

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speedplay wrote:
As for spin, I agree to some extent. I don't do heavy backspin against them, cause this is the kind of shot they can attack hard, but for topspin, I love to load them up, as this usually gives them some trouble to keep it on the table. I never open up hard, but open with a heavy spin and then flat hit to either corner of the table and this works for me. So, why did I raise the question? Well, I've found a way that works for me, but perhaps there are easier ways? Or, simply ways to add variation to my game so they don't grow used to it and develop weapons against it.


most simple way is to kill his weak spin balls if you can, to punish his weak rubbers. if you have problem with attacking his flat balls it never gets that simple :P


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I played and lost twice to players using dead/old rubbers.

The ball has no pace. I couldn't flat hit it and light chop or push would lift it high enough for them to flat hit it.

I can't get used to their style of play as their game play is unique.

If ever I play them again, I will try to topspin by forehand and follow up with a flat hit if I get a high ball back.


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I sense that Igor doesn't know how to play against these people and kept losing to them. So now he just refuses to play against them and forfeits his match... :lol: This is very much like "ostrich sticking head in sand". Should everyone follow his "advice"? Heck no, this is a skill to be developed, not something to turn your nose up at to avoid an imaginary "slap in face". :lol: At the club, you should seek out and play them every chance you get, how else would you learn how to handle them?

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revised for ethical reason.

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Moggy wrote:
speedplay wrote:
I don't want to spend time to practice my strokes against this particular style of rubber, cause that would probably mess up my game when I play against regular rubbers, which is far more common for me.


Fully understand regarding messing you up for other games. I and expect one or two others have found that league matches where you have to play a low/non spin player ie. LP / Anti followed by a spiny double reverse player is one of the harder transitions to make.

You get in the groove with one, only to find it needs a total rethink for the second.


Try playing doubles against a pair where one person uses long pips on one side and the other has double inverted. You'll get confused as to which one is which... :lol: It really forces you to concentrate, and to work on tactics. And you really do have to work with your partner on signals before serving.

The good news is - if you regularly play against people using low-spin rubbers you'll get used to them fairly quickly. There was a time when three of the half dozen or so regulars at Social Doubles switched to long pips (thanks, Rob :lol: ) plus there was one person who continued to play with bare wood on the reverse side (penholder). Initially everyone (including the long pips people) were gingerly pushing the ball around but everyone's gotten over it and now it doesn't bother anyone any more, they've gotten used to it. The level of play has continued to go up over time. There's only two or three of us who really bother with the theory behind spin and the effect of rubbers (we're the ones who constantly signal before serves), yet even the ones that don't aren't confused any more - I suppose one eventually develops an instinct.

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I don't understand this discussion at all, because I thought

1. Dead rubber is same as anti (which is legal at all levels of play)
2. If I show up to play again with my dead but fully ITTF legal 40 year old Sriver or Mark V (that was hidden in my attic by my spouse so I cannot play ping pong, along with some dead bodies), what rules prevent me ? Is there a minimum friction requirement for anti as well, just like for pips ? Maybe there is but how do you test it in a low level tournament (where most of these dead rackets are more likely to show up than at an international event).

Unless this is a new backdoor way of whining about anti


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Hi s-jan. Nice to hear you got married, and sorry to hear your bat got locked up in the attic. Hope the pips haven't fallen off the Feint Long yet.

Yes, it's whining about antis. Most of us don't have any problems with it, it's just Igor. :lol: The rest of us are more interested in discussing how one should play against someone using old rubbers rather than whining about it. I like his solution - just boycott anyone that plays with old dead rubber (or anti), even though it means forfeiting the U-1100 finals... :lol: I'd rather learn to play against it instead.

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