OOAK Table Tennis Forum


A truly International Table Tennis Community for both Defensive and Offensive styles!
OOAK Forum Links About OOAK Table Tennis Forum OOAK Forum Memory
It is currently 11 Aug 2020, 07:17


Don't want to see any advertising? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!


View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » Table Tennis HOTLINE: TT Officials, Professional Players/Coaches and Manufacturers » ITTF & Table Tennis Associations

All times are UTC + 9:30 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 4 of 6
  [ 89 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
LOOPOVER
PostPosted: 25 Oct 2014, 18:32 
Offline
Super User

Joined: 11 May 2013, 18:01
Posts: 713
Location: Podunk Pongville USA MALE
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 29 times
Blade: XVT Balsa Carbon 10mm all
FH: Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0
BH: Globe 979 OX
Every player can help sell the sport as a lifetime hobby with lots of health benefits !

See the post of Sept 26 discussing this at USA Hobby Table Tennis Coalition on FaceBook !

https://www.facebook.com/pages/USA-Hobb ... =bookmarks

_________________
Panda Drive / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max / Play right-handed
XVT balsa carbon 10mm / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH Globe 979 Long Pips OX / Play Left-handed shakehand
Stiga Def Wood / 4H Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 / BH GD CC LP OX .. Play Left-handed
Cpen SOS Wood / 4H 729 802-40 2.0 / BH GD Talon use righthanded shakehand grip
HARDBAT / Shakehand Hock 3 ply / Friendship Dr Evil OX .. Play Right-handed
Top
 Profile  
 

iskandar taib
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2014, 15:48 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 9567
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1167 times
Ah.. I suddenly remembered where I'd seen slowed-down video of table tennis balls spinning. Not sure how strong the loops they show are, but you can see the ball spinning (it's not an unrecognizable blur):



e.g. around 2:56.

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
bmann1942
PostPosted: 02 Apr 2015, 01:01 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 30 Mar 2015, 07:41
Posts: 19
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 2 times
agenthex wrote:
If you've ever seen the two tone-ball in action it basically becomes a blur at anything but very low spin, and with a super-fast camera, reducing the speed to where the spin is discernible means everything else standing still. The motivation was good, but I at least found the execution lacking.

The fundamental problem is that most points don't produce epic rallies, and all but experts have no idea what's happening; the ITTF is right on this point. Sure you can explain after the fact given enough time (there currently isn't and doing so would really extend match times), Better commentary in that direction needs to be part of the show, but it's still a terrible experience to watch for nothing on most points. What I mean is that even in the best case, a nuanced spin/no-spin serve, it takes a very highly skilled operator/commentator on the level of the players to pick this up nevermind work the equipment & point out highlights before the next point starts. Again, imagine the experience of watching poker without the hole-cam and the commentators explaining what happened only after the action, and only of the discarded hole cards they can logically piece back together. The hole-cam made post-analysis much better, too.

Presumably the flow if this exist is that the info's visible but unobstructing, like the ball itself can be color-coded with the same technology, and your own focus gradually shifts entirely to the broader point if a rally starts. Also with general ball-tracking, path-tracing would make the point much more interesting for analysis. Let's be honest, how many club players nevermind general spectators really understand what's going on in pro matches? Does a few select slo-mo of the serves really help? These are important questions to not only ask but resolve.

IMO there are only a few key pieces of "hidden" information necessary to make TT a much better show for everyone. Spin is definitely one of them.


You have identified a fundamental problem quite well; table tennis as presently played at its highest levels is baffling to all but those very few people (virtually all international level players and coaches) acquainted with what's actually going on. And what's actually going on occurs so quickly that there is no time for a spectator unfamiliar with the sport to begin to acquaint him- or herself with what is going on.

And, unless there are not a few more "epic" rallies in present day world class table tennis, why would you think that a basic understanding of spin, which can be a hindrance, not necessarily a help to producing epic rallies, would be a factor in making table tennis more watchable?
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
PostPosted: 03 Apr 2015, 18:27 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 9567
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1167 times
I suppose, if we go to hardbat, there won't be any of these 10,000 RPM loops any more and the two color ball could be less of a blur...

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
shaolinTT
PostPosted: 04 Apr 2015, 02:24 
Offline
The Court Jester
The Court Jester
User avatar

Joined: 23 Apr 2010, 09:33
Posts: 1275
Location: Canada
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 109 times
If we want TT to be popular, we need to start with the young kids.
I spent the first 12 years of my life in Asia. TT was fun, AFFORDABLE and ACCESSIBLE. Any little kid could save up $ to buy the first bat and balls. My school provided the tables and we could play. Even when we could not get the tables because the bigger kids got the tables first, we could find "creative ways" to hit the TT balls around. At home, and like many kids, I made good use of mom's mahjong tables to play TT :D .
Is TT affordable and accessible to young kids? I don't know. What I do know is that "making TT more fun to watch on TV" is NOT a good way to promote our sport.
Top
 Profile  
 
bmann1942
PostPosted: 04 Apr 2015, 05:19 
Offline
New Member

Joined: 30 Mar 2015, 07:41
Posts: 19
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 2 times
iskandar taib wrote:
I suppose, if we go to hardbat, there won't be any of these 10,000 RPM loops any more and the two color ball could be less of a blur...

Iskandar


I cannot imagine a world without 10,000 rpm loop drives. It's too horrible to contemplate. It would be like summer in the southwest without sunshine and 105 degree temperatures.

What would we have to look backward to if we were to return to hardbat? 115 mph smashes by 5'6" guys in long pants. 100 mph fh slap shots right into the kishkas. Backhand flicks at warp speed. 15 mph balloon chops from 55 feet back of the table. Delicate little drop shots that bounce 47 times before a defender 55 feet away can get to them.

And oh yeah, a 115 mph smash, not to mention a 100 mph fh drive or a warp speed bh flick is likely to render a two-color ball indistinguishable from the traditional one-color 38 mm. special to all but the color blind.
Top
 Profile  
 
Blondie
PostPosted: 05 Apr 2015, 01:19 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 08 Mar 2015, 10:24
Posts: 82
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 2 times
I would guess the more influence China gets on the world the bigger the sport will be. But I think it's hard to make a big change in some countries since many sees table tennis like a hobby and something to do for fun in the schoolyard.
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
PostPosted: 07 Apr 2015, 11:38 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 9567
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1167 times
Actually, even in China table tennis has been eclipsed by badminton (and especially soccer).

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
Blondie
PostPosted: 08 Apr 2015, 08:05 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 08 Mar 2015, 10:24
Posts: 82
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 2 times
iskandar taib wrote:
Actually, even in China table tennis has been eclipsed by badminton (and especially soccer).

Iskandar


Do you mean that Badminton is bigger than table tennis in China?
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
PostPosted: 09 Apr 2015, 01:16 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 9567
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1167 times
From what I understand, yes. The top ranked Badminton players are Chinese (Lin Dan and Chen Long). Lots of strong women players, too.

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
Blondie
PostPosted: 09 Apr 2015, 07:09 
Offline
Full member

Joined: 08 Mar 2015, 10:24
Posts: 82
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 2 times
iskandar taib wrote:
From what I understand, yes. The top ranked Badminton players are Chinese (Lin Dan and Chen Long). Lots of strong women players, too.

Iskandar


ok, did not know that at all. Thanks for the information but I was hoping TT would be bigger!
Top
 Profile  
 
roundrobin
PostPosted: 09 Apr 2015, 07:44 
Offline
OOAK Super User
OOAK Super User
User avatar

Joined: 02 Mar 2010, 19:16
Posts: 1400
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 64 times
Badminton is huge in California, USA as well. Almost all high schools and colleges here have badminton teams and offer badminton classes, and virtually zero high school or college here offers any type of table tennis in their official curriculum.
I am playing badminton three times a week. It's easily a much more physical sport than table tennis. So many more girls playing it too, which makes it more fun. ;) Lots of smiles and laughter all around.
Top
 Profile  
 
iskandar taib
PostPosted: 09 Apr 2015, 21:15 
Offline
Goes to 11
Goes to 11
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2014, 20:27
Posts: 9567
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 1167 times
It's huge here, too. Doesn't hurt that we're nowhere in table tennis but our best player is one of the top in the world (ranking was #1, but Lin Dan was only #2 because he didn't play a lot of tournaments). We used to win the Thomas Cup every few years and had a huge rivalry with Indonesia. Theyu showed matches on TV and practically everyone would stop whatever they were doing to watch.

Iskandar
Top
 Profile  
 
RebornTTEvnglist
PostPosted: 10 Apr 2015, 02:06 
Offline
Count Darkula
Count Darkula
User avatar

Joined: 01 Dec 2007, 15:07
Posts: 17501
Location: Dark side of Australia!!
Has thanked: 422 times
Been thanked: 290 times
Blade: Bty Gergely T5000
FH: TSP Regalis Blue Max
BH: Tibhar Grass Dtecs
I pose an alternate view about the popularity of our sport. Would it really be of benefit to us as players if the sport became as big as soccer for example? If big money and corporates took over the game like they do other sports and the common man is left out in the cold for much of it....would that really be a benefit to the current grassroots player in the sport (and I'm hypothesising about grassroots players being pushed aside by these big money people in preference to the players THEY consider should play the game. This would include BIG MONEY directing the ITTF and Affiliates to run TT centres THEIR way). I'm not so sure that would be great for the sport.

_________________
I'm always in the dark, but the Dark sheds lights upon everything!! :twisted: Beauty is only pimple deep! Beauty is in the eye of the pipholder!
S/U 1: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Andro Rasant 2.1 . BH Red Tibhar Grass Dtecs
S/U 2: Blade: Bty Gergely . FH Black Hexer+ 2.1 . BH Red GD Talon
S/U 3: Blade: Bty Gergely . No rubbers...thinking of adding Red Dtecs and Black Rasant
Aussie Table Tennis Shop / Aussie Table Tennis Facebook Page / Equipment Review Index / Read my Reb Report Blog: click here.
Top
 Profile  
 
mynamenotbob
PostPosted: 10 Apr 2015, 03:12 
Offline
Modern Chiseler.
Modern Chiseler.
User avatar

Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 06:49
Posts: 11070
Location: USA
Has thanked: 494 times
Been thanked: 542 times
Blade: Grubba ALL+
FH: Marder 1mm
BH: Dornenglanz ox
If table tennis was suddenly as popular as tennis, that would be a great thing.

_________________



The MNNB Blog has had some pretty amazing stuff lately. Just click this text to check it out. | My OOAK Interview
Table Tennis Video Links: itTV | laola1.tv | ttbl | fftt | Challenger Series | mnnb-tv

My whole set-up costs less than a sheet of Butterfly Dignics
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 4 of 6
  [ 89 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next


Don't want to see this advertisement? Become a member and login, and you'll never see an ad again!



Board index » Table Tennis HOTLINE: TT Officials, Professional Players/Coaches and Manufacturers » ITTF & Table Tennis Associations

All times are UTC + 9:30 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2018 OOAK Table Tennis Forum. The information on this site cannot be reused without written permission.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group