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I guess I'm mainly targeting this question to Table Tennis Australia, but I guess the same can be asked to any country's association...

When the ITTF bring in new rules/regulation, is there a process where you analyse and discuss these new rules/regulation to see of they are appropriate for the country, or is it accepted that the ITTF makes decisions for the good of all?

The reason I ask is that the ITTF has mentioned recently that new rules/regulation are generally made considering the high professional/elite players (can't remember the exact wording). I'm sure the impact on TT in general is considered, but that's not the focus.

So considering Australia probably has less than 1% of it's players at these levels, new rules/regulation may not necessarily in the best interest of Australian players...

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I guess I'm mainly targeting this question to Table Tennis Australia, but I guess the same can be asked to any country's association...

When the ITTF bring in new rules/regulation, is there a process where you analyse and discuss these new rules/regulation to see of they are appropriate for the country, or is it accepted that the ITTF makes decisions for the good of all?

The reason I ask is that the ITTF has mentioned recently that new rules/regulation are generally made considering the high professional/elite players (can't remember the exact wording). I'm sure the impact on TT in general is considered, but that's not the focus.

So considering Australia probably has less than 1% of it's players at these levels, new rules/regulation may not necessarily in the best interest of Australian players...

Having universal rules for the game is good, but I don't think the ITTF should be the God of equipment.

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Having universal rules for the game is good, but I don't think the ITTF should be the God of equipment.


Yes I agree universal rules are a good thing, as long as they are made in the interest of all players... I'm not saying that ITTF rules are not, but there needs to be a system in place that checks this.

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Here is Adham answer on a closely related topic:

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You are absolutely right, there is a huge disconnect and it is mainly because you misunderstand the role and mandate of the ITTF. The ITTF is the governing body of the sport at the international level. The national associations govern the sport in their country or territory. The ITTF's rules, systems, methods, structure and policies are all geared for the international level. It is then up to each national association to make its own rules or to choose to adopt some or all of the ITTF rules. In England, some leagues played to 21 points up to 3 years after the change of the rule. This is because the ETTA applied the ITTF rule up to a certain level only and let the lower levels do as they please. Some national associations prefer to adopt ALL ITTF rules to the letter. It's their choice.
I fully understabd all players who are frusteted regarding the regulations on equipment. The VOC ban was a must. It is to respect IOCs Agenda 21 and of course according to a long standing decision in the ITTF to have a clean sport free of toxic materials. We may agree or not on this but it's a fact that now everyone has to adopt and accept. There is no going back. Glue was meant as an adhesive and not as a performance enhancing tool. Now regarding Boosters and the such, they were never legal, ever! The rule was further clarified with the 2.4.7 rule adopted with more than 90% approval at our AGM. It is not ITTF's fault that players were breaking the rule already. We have received direction from the membershuip that the rules should be enforced strictly and we set out to do that. As I said on another forum I am very sorry that it is affecting our generation of players, this is something we cannot avoid if we want to respect and implement our rules as they have been formulated by the membership. This is the same as previous changes of rules (sandpaper rackets, thick sponge rackets, finger spin ban, etc.) in the past. It affected that generation at that time.

I thank you for your well-thought-out comment, and I must agree with your assessment. But it makes more sense if you put things in the correct perspective. The ITTF governs the "International" level of our sport only. If a disconnect also exists with national associations then something is wrong and you should get involved to have your message heard.

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I think this is where a big part of the problem is... most association accept the ITTF rules as they are, and simply adops them for all the local playersa and competitions.

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Perhaps too national bodies are so slack with setting standards and there own proceedures and rulings and whatnot that they just simply go with the ITTF as the international body for TT.

Glue can be performance enhancing rather than just an adhesive.

ok so pimples and certain equipments are banned.

Wait...so sticky rubbers are then too "performance enhancing"? Maybe they will be on the chopping block next.

Then "certain" sponges will be more advantageous and performance enhancing.

Then we will be all playing with standard bats...but then manufacturers would be screwed.

I can't believe ITTF banning pimples, being an international body regarding the more elite. How many pimple players are at the top???? Hardly many!

Intersting though on the proceedures I am keen with you Alex in knowing how these rulings are made and on what bases.

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There is a USATT flyer handed out in lots of places, even Paddle Palace for free, "The Laws of Table Tennis".

There is a section that says,
"These laws conform substantially to the ITTF Laws and Regulations for International Competition. Minor modifications applicable to USATT competition are included".

So basically, USATT laws are ITTF laws.

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A USATT bigwig has told me they would never go against the ITTF regarding the equipment list. So much for any leadership from this national organization and I'm sure it's the same case with most.

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AFAIK TTQ just adopts the rules without checking.

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This thread seems to have strayed from it's original point (and apparently also from the forum section it is in...)

I wouldn't mind the global governing body to rule all TT activities, if only the players had more input. Right now, it's national federations who are blocking us out of decision making. They just accept the rules of the ITTF, and force them on us.

This forum section for dialogue is a step in the right direction IMO

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Any doubt why they just accept the rules?
Maybe why they have not commented on here yet? :?

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Yes a good point... I have invited them over, and I really hope they are willing to give us some feedback!

I think when a few of them join, others will follow.. it's always hard to get thing moving... I'm hoping other will invite their officails over as well...

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I think it would be a very proactive step if the ITTF took a lead here to recommend to national bodies the rules that are International/Pro specific and should not be enforced on local TT and the rules they would recommend are adopted by all. This way there can be a clearcut direction on rules that are implemented specifically to deal with issues at the international level, which are too onerous and unnecessary for club amateurs to deal with.

Given that the national and state bodies seem to follow ITTF without question this would be a great dividing line to draw because I think without doubt there are issues at the pro level that need to be addressed, that can be counter-productive at lower levels.

It would help the sport get along in a more harmonious way IMO.

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Hmmm you both make a good points!

Perhaps the solution is for the ITTF to take more consideration on the impact of the lower levels, and get some input from players & organisers at these levels to get 'real; feedback.

They currently don't seem to consider it their role to do this... but I think this should be changed if they're serious about promoting and growing the sport...

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I for one wouldn't support the idea of National associations having their own set of rules. Let's say that Sweden decided to allow boosters while ITTF don't. The result would be, that in our national team, we would pick the best players to represent us, but picking them from their boosted performance. It's by no means certain that these players are the best with out the boosters and even if it turns out they are, once they are being called up to play at international level, they would have to adopt real quickly to play with their non boosted equipment.

Alright, let's legalise boosters at the lower levels then? No, certainly not, cause if ITTF's main reason for banning speed glue and boosters are the high level of VOC's in them, then allowing them at low levels would be a worst case scenario as I'm sure that top players have better possibilities to use it in a safe way, so banning it for them while allowing us to boost and glue in the kitchen would be pretty dumb...

I want to have the same rule as the international players have, but in some cases, a bigger acceptance might be on it's place, such as height of throw for a serve were low level players shouldn't be judged as hard as professionals.


I think if players are at a national level and heading to international level they then need to look hard at the international rules to ensure they conform and can compete within them. I don't think for a few handfuls of players per country at most, the lower level players should have to have such strict rules applied to them.

As for VOC's in the kitchen, I didn't say that speedgluing was a particular rule that should be let go at lower levels, although I have little issue with it. If you have a whiteboard at home and write on it with Texta you are going to be breathing VOC's more than likely. But if non-VOC's boosters are allowed at lower levels, this would be a happy compromise.

More specifically at lower levels I see just a rationalisation/simplification of the rules would make the sport easier to learn and play. They want more youngsters in the sport? One of the biggest things that get young kids off side in a sport is where the rules are complicated and they get slugged with the rules by some overbearing old guy who is a stickler. If the rules are simpler then the kids learn them easier and can abide them properly and not get intimidated by strict rule interpretations in the more obscure rules. Local club players don't have TV cameras on them, huge money to play for or specialist umpires like the pros do. So the need for such strict rules doesn't come into it so much.

I didn't actually say there had to be 2 sets of rules if you read my post. But a subset that are recommended to apply at local level and then those that should only apply at international level.

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