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Or, what if a particular model of blade is discontinued.. must the manufacturer continue to pay annual ITTF listing fees on it lest it be purged from the approved equipment list?

I think the whole idea of authorising it is make sure the blade complies with the rules, so i doubt any modification would be allowed. Note though that this approval process is just an idea at this stage, and I personally doubt it will ever be implimented...

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I am not sure either, that authorising of blades will be implemented, but we can see a clear step in this direction. I mean Adham's statement about "shaved" blades, which I quoted earlier in this thread. About which I asked 4 simple questions. I think, we should take this Adham's move seriously.

If he starts pointing the finger it might wind up as legal trouble.

Why don't you buy some and find out for yourself?

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If 1) someone says: "Players A,B,C were caught at the tournaments D,E,F using blades G,H,I shaved by manufacturers J,K,L and 2) it is true, then I don't see any legal trouble here.

At least in some cases the names of disqualified players were reviled to the public, it is not the general policy of ITTF to conceal such things. So if some players were caught using "shaved" blades, it would be quite natural to tell the truth about it.

The policy of ITTF has been not to authorise blades. I can well imagine, that some people would like to change this policy to the opposite. I don't know who exactly and for what reasons. Anyway, Adham made a statement about "shaved" blades, and I asked him 4 questions about it. Maybe he needs some more time to answer them.

It is obvious to methat Adham will never announce in public any of the names involved in producing or distributing the shaved blades. Noway is ITTF interested in giving a boost to this illegal product. //The only thing I'm firmly convinced of is that it should be a superior, technically advanced manufacture to make such a precise concave shaving on a wood material with the finest accuracy of 0.2 mm or so.

Good point, I agree!

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I understand the point, but I disagree. Sorry, hagisv.

If revealing the names of the manufacturers who produce "shaved" blades would boost this product, they would have done that themselves long ago, obviously to boost this product. I can't imagine a manufacturer, who don't wont to boost their product.

The counter argument could be, that they do not reveal their names themselves, because their product is illegal. So they would like to keep it secret. However, in this case they would have also to sell it secretly through secret dealers. And the customers? They must also keep the secret. And if someone talks, it is no secret any more. Then who would use a blade known to be illegal at the tournaments? I don't think, such a business would work.

I also see great difficulties to make a rubber fit into such a "shaved" blade, so that it's surface remains even. Also if the rubber is tuned in the middle and becomes uneven, it is nevertheless very unlikely, that it matches exactly the uneven surface of the "shaved" blade.

These considerations give me a reason to believe, that Adham has been misled by some people. Maybe he needs some more time to find it out.

Hi Adham ,
i would like to know if there comes a authentic control unit to measure the friction on long/short pimples, next time.
Or all arbiter will only take the ITTF equipment List and controll with it.
Thanks good day

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Hi Adham,

at the AGM 2008 the rule 2.4.7 was passed:



As we know, AGM can only pass a rule, if a so called "proposition" has been made.

In the list of propositions to the AGM 2008 I didn't find a proposition for the rule 2.4.7. I did found the text, but it was not a proposition. The text was formulated as an explanation to a completely different proposition №7:



As far as I understand, an "explanation" is not a "proposition", and the text of an explanation can not become the text of a rule.

It would be great, if you could clarify that.

Right now, a manufacturer or factory is permitted to apply boosters to a rubber but a player is not. Many players find this unreasonable in principle. It may not be designed to make money for the manufacturers, but that is the result. Is there anything in the works to provide a remedy to this?

A year ago on this forum you (adham) had indicated that you would support a change to allow boosters. Boosters generally need to be applied far in advance; using them immediately before a match doesn't work. Would you still support such a change if a national association were to submit a proposal for it?

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On the proposal to introduce blade authorisation or approval (these
details have probably not been worked out yet I suspect?)
- If the ITTF does start approving blades, when a blade manufacturer goes
out of business (or dies) and stops paying annual fees, are we no longer
allowed to use our blades?

Adham: No, usually there is a period of time allowed. For example for Rubbers it is 10 years, with periodical testing on the market to ensure compliance. The same would happen with blades. Then of course they will deplete on the market in any case.


- If a particular model of blade is discontinued.. must the manufacturer
continue to pay annual ITTF listing fees on it lest it be purged from the
approved equipment list?

Adham: Yes, just like rubbers today. Some are discontinued but the stock with retailers is still large, then the Manufacturer continues to pay the yearly authorization fee. But this amount is very small. The large amount is the "first" authorization, the yearly renewal is minimal ($200-$300 per year)

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Friction levels of pips
- Will there be an authentic and standard control unit to measure the
friction of pips,
or will the umpires simply use the ITTF approved list?

Adham: At International events there will be eventually a unit. But for all other events, just the list.

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