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Can you guess his rating?

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Can't comment on the use of LP's but his forehand seems to be the weakness not the LP's.

However, I'd concentrate mostly on the forehand side. A lot of his forehands are played very square on to the table which is a more natural position to play a backhand - probably because blocking with his backhand is a more natural shot. He also plays a lot of forehands from the elbow neglecting the rest of his body and legs ie the arm pivots from the elbow but little else, windscreen washer style. He also tends to lose his balance when he attacks with his forehand which is fine as long as the ball doesn't come back.

Tactically he seems to play from a routine of what he knows and makes the most of that. Mainly two types of serves one of which his opponent started to work out as it was used so often, lot's of blocks down the line to the opponents forehand which were very effective, tends to drop off deep when he pushes the ball to float chop his return which his opponent tended to over hit and he'll run round his backhand to smack a mid table slow, highish bouncing return from his opponent.

It was hard to tell from the video - not sure if YouTube were doing their usual trick of "still processing" so it seemed a bit jerky but he seemed pretty rigid / stiff in his movement, not very fluid. I've watched you play and you glide about the floor.

I'd be surprised if his serves won't get called as foul serves in tournement play with an umpire. The ball hardly leaves his hand.

Those are the things I'd try and concentrate on more. Making him think about what he's trying to do, not rush so much, more fluid movement, some variety on serve and most of all improve his forehand. But then table tennis is easy when you're watching a video and not actually playing yourself All credit to him for agreeing to be filmed.

Rating - not a clue, never get involved in that type of game.

He probably has no choice, think he is one of his prize students.

His lp skill is definitely there. His forehand is not bad and his opponent looks pretty skilled to me which puts him 2000+ just by watching. Also the way he is dealing with his opponent is pretty strategic so I would say to just tighten up the weaker skills and slowly progress. Eventually everything could click and he'd probably be way higher than he is now. I think analysis of his game is above my pay grade.

Maybe if I had to prioritize I would focus more on everything other than attack shots. Pushing, blocking, serving, and placement.

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He is too excited, he need to slow down a little...
He is getting the ball on the wrong time sometimes, cause it seen his in a hurry...

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They had choices, I asked and both agreed. He's one of my LP student.
Now in process to add more things to BH LP games. Just (more)difficult to change 60+ yrs old guy.

I learned by myself from filming/watching myself for 7+ years now. I think it's one of the best way to learn.

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Agreed. If you have something to compare it too or a knowledge of what / how a shot should be played or know someone who does.

If you just film yourself beating a friend and go by the result alone, it can be a false record of your game.

I think it also helps not to just focus on the ball. I often watch the same video back many times but focus on different things. Last video I took of myself I concentrated on bat position and realised I often play my backhand outside the line of my body. Ball went back so the rally continued, but that's not good technique.

IF Bogey is asking how to improve someone's LP game, he must be looking for outside opinions and ideas. Bogey is full of them enough as it is. (good ones that is) Maybe Bogey just wants some more feedback from the rest of the world to show his student that Bogey is not the only one saying whatever it is he is saying to his student.

I comment on 1st vid.

Red shirt has the will to attack FH and that counts a lot. How needs to get lower and wider, so he can move to the ball earlier, with better balance and position. That is the biggest thing killing him when he wants to go on attack FH.

He chops or floats the ball too high, but 80-90% of the time, it lands near endline, and that is a juicy ball for an attacker, but really one of the hardest to actually land if you are over-eager and are parked too close to the table. This opponent gent fit the bill, took the bait, and attacked all of them... Red shirt won almost every one of those points. As bad as that shot looked, it was bread and butter for him at his level, prolly his best point maker by far. Low risk shot and it got him a ton of points. Gave him lots of time too, took away pressure from him too. That shot would still work vs even some 1800-1900 attackers more than 50% of time. These level of players also can get caught too close to the table and can be mesmerized by this float, lick their chops, blast away and want to break their bat for missing barely such an easy putaway.

Red shirt seems to get the idea of placement, seems to know this opponent and what makes him low percentage attack. This is a good sign of tactical awareness. Sometimes, Red shirt got his bat on the ball at the bounce, the best time for such an angled shot, but 90%+ of the time, he is taking the ball way too late. Often, this is because he is not anticipating or moving into position in time, sometimes it is indecisiveness, often it is back to his inability to move. That is from playing not low enough, not wide enough, not being balanced, and not finishing the shot being balanced. This is a huge problem for a lot of the U1700-U1800 crowd, even some 2000 level players struggle in this aspect. Improving his stance, balance, stroke recovery, and movement will get this guy's game up a level or two.

Given that this is an O60 gent, it won't be easy though, but getting him to be more balanced and not attack stuff 100% power off balance would be a good start. Also, getting him to take the ball earlier to pressure opponent with 1/3-1/2 power shots off the bounce, or even just blocking a bit active off the bounce... all these are low risk/high pressure on opponent shots that would immediately raise his level. HE could do well to get a few of what Bob did well vs me at that pool hall TT place. Bob didn't move all over the place, took stuff early, kept it in play, and dared me to win point with power, which is a path to failure vs a good blocker. (I won with spin and placement instead of pure power on over 1/2 my points) If Red shirt could simplify his one step footwork, get better balance and take ball off bounce, he would apply even more pressure on opponents.

Red shirt tries too many BH from FH position, he will never play like Neubauer, he needs to learn to move one step and select a better shot.

Red shirt lost a lot of points being indecisive on balls to his crossover. Don't we all suffer from this? But many balls going there were slow ones and his indecision cost him when he too late tried to attack or block out of position and balance.

What is his level??? He looks like crap on offense and his defense LOOKS silly, but it doesn't mean his defense isn't effective. He doesn't even look like 1300 USATT on film, but I would bet lunch his playing level or rating is a LOT higher. I wouldn't be surprised if he defeats 1500-1800 level attackers, they are not consistent enough or use enough tactics like Red shirt appears to be capable of. Often, on vids, a crappy looking player plays with good tactics and high percentage outcomes that appears to be crappy or under-developed shots.

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I just turned 66 and I am willing to and can change, I just don't have a coach like you and players in our club don't want to change me, afraid that I might get better.

Ironically Tat, I commented on this vid on another forum as well.

I said something like we should cut this guy some slack on the footwork issue as he is O60. But then I mentioned you and that if we held him to your standard, we do NOT cut him any slack for footwork.

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I think Tat does a heck of a lot of training on footwork outside of table tennis so it's not necessarily a fair comparison

Yup....it's great they are willing to be filmed! I think it helps everyone by reminding all of us of our own strengths, weaknesses/issues.

The guy in the red shirt needs to spend more time learning how to return serves with his pips. In the 2nd clip he missed way too many. In the 3rd clip I think I counted 5 service return fails. Returning serves with LP should be an overall net positive. He's also a little careless with his serves and sometimes isn't ready when using his pips on 3rd ball.

He also tends to give up the table too easily. If he's being mentored to chop...I get that. I found it takes time to judge when to fall back against opponents like the one he was playing. When he is back and set...he chops fairly well.
He tends to return while backing up.....it's one of the demons I have fought. When I catch myself doing that I literally say to myself "nothing good happens when I'm backing up!" He's also doesn't seem confident in his FH....something else I can relate to. It looks as tho he's not ready to hit or indecisive.

If this guy was in my club I'd spend hours working on serves and return of service with him. I could use the work too!

Hmmm, I watched game 5

The red shirt guy is popping up all the spinny loops to his FH, but doing ok with the ones to his BH, by comparison. The Looper in blue could be anywhere from 1500 to 2000, who knows?

The red shirt guy needs more diverse serves, and needs to be expecting the ball back, and already know how he's going to play it when it does. Example, Red shirt serves, blue pushes, red pushes and goofs it into net, or puts it where blue attacks while loop to red FH side, red pops up, blue kills.

Sad to say I make a lot of the same goofs.

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RED shirt :

2014 Butterfly MDTTC March Ope 3/2/2014 1690 1695 5 4 2 - 2
Maryland Circuit 4/13/2013 1713 1690 -23 5 0 - 5
Maryland Giant Round Robin 1/26/2013 1750 1713 -37 6 2 - 4
Maryland Giant RR 11/17/2012 1703 1750 47 6 3 - 3
Manor Pumpkin Patch 2 Person T 10/27/2012 1588 1703 115 8 4 - 4
Fair to say 1700?

BLUE :

2014 Butterfly MDTTC March Ope 3/2/2014 1672 1637 -35 6 1 - 5
2013 JOOLA N. American Teams O 12/1/2013 1612 1672 60 17 10 - 7
Maryland Giant Round Robin 3/23/2013 1634 1612 -22 12 6 - 6
Butterfly MDTTC March Open 3/3/2013 1621 1634 13 3 1 - 2
Maryland Circuit 2/9/2013 1691 1621 -70 9 3 - 6

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A newb to the OOAK forum might think Bogey is rated a little lower than both of these gents, that would be total LULZ.

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