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PostPosted: 26 May 2018, 06:04 
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maddrag wrote:
what kind of blade is the revolution blade ? Fast and stiffer wood give more reversal and faster ball. Slower and smoother blade =more dwell time, more control and less speed but can give more spin.

For example, my masushita offensive defense blade was very stiff. Good reversal, fast but difficult to control. The firewall plus with Balsa give much more spin, more control and slower blade. It help for hitting the ball.


Revolution has extremely short dwell time, very stiff but good control and off - in speed. Made to maximize spin reversal.

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Blade: dr neubauer firewall +
FH: DHS skyline 3 neo 2.15 mm
BH: Dr. Neubauer Agressor 1.5
play 3 hours with agressor 1,3 mm yesterday. The first player was more a hitter blocker. Had a bit of problem finding the right hit. I then kind of getting better.

Than I play with a top spinner with a lot of arc but with almost no experience against pips. He got a lot of problems. For me I start to master the beast and start to return nastier block and hit. The long defense was also better and more regular. Chopping with the vertical side and with the horizontall side made different spin. The first one is more a long float and the second one is more of a heavy underspin, with different hight. The pips are morein reaction with the top spin so more difficult to control the spin. I can see myself playing different style depending of the opponent style. As soon as he get a bit a hang of my long chop I came back at the table and play counter hitting, chop block, push and punch. He got confused and miss a lot of shot. Long chop give time to the player to spin the ball. Short game don't. His mind can't get fast enough to choose the right shot.

The third one was a very fast top spinner with balls that are very low and fast. The best shot was the block with the blade pointing to the ceiling and a half closed blade. The ball return very fast, very low and with a lot of reversal. The only way he was able to return my block was by pushing the ball and than I hit the ball with my FH or pimples. It was a very strong feeling of placing the balls very fast with underspin. I was very proud.

An other shot that work well with hard top spinner is the counterhit. The first conter is more of a floater than it goes as an underspin Despite the fact that the hit seems to be a top spin. After 3 hits the ball is very heavy and the opponant hit the net all the time. So he need to go slower to counter it safely and then I can attck that ball. Very gratifying.

So I start to experiement different stroke for different player and Mp are very good for that.


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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2018, 00:22 
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Agressor is starting to be very popular as more video just shows up on you tube. Different strokes, slowmotion, test, review, and how to play with it with different thickness and match strategy with different blades.


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PostPosted: 05 Sep 2022, 00:32 
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I know that pimples work fine with stiff blade generally and I read the whole thread but I was wondering if a flexible blade will make a good combination with aggressor keeping his deception or better not tempt this combination?


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PostPosted: 19 Sep 2023, 16:40 
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Blade: OSP Expert CRWi FL
FH: Tibhar Evolution MX-P max
BH: Dr. N. Aggressor 1,3mm
I play 3 weeks Aggressor 1,3mm with custom version (5,55mm thickness) OSP Expert II CRWi 90gramm. FH MX-P max.
This blade don´t make rubbers softer and Aggressor is no exception.

Before two years i played 1 year with K.O. 1,3mm with big success , but I found K.O. as to be oriented more for passive play.
After that I played with Killer Extreme 1,8mm and 2mm. All was OK , but against strong topspin players I missed more disruption.

I had in rubber archive 1 sheet Aggressor 1,3mm.
I glued this rubber. My strong sparing said me - that is right rubber for you.
Despite short time to first competitive play , i played with this rubber next time.

Aggressor is very polyvalent MP , it is possible to play very wide range of shots.
LP shots I play rarely , but different variation of block, loops, push.
It is not easy rubber and I am not at the end of my learning curve.
But every single play I have feeling, that I am going to the target- disruptive BH with attacking options.
Already now the results from first competitive play are not bad at all.


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PostPosted: 17 May 2024, 07:02 
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maddrag wrote:
An other monday night at the club. First I Trained for 1 hours.

Shockwave: almost look like inverted. First send a lot of ball over the table then close the blade angle and start to hit the table. Much more rapid than the Agressor. A lot of top spin for a MP. It is more like a SP. The sponge being softer than the Agressor. The chop are a lot different than Agressor. It grip the ball like inverted. I send a lot of ball into the net. You need to open more the blade and shop more horizontaly. You really have to pay attention to the opponent spin to choose the right angle to chop the ball. I saw that the transition between Agressor and Shockwave will take me for about 3 hours to start to play confident so I stop to play the Shockwave to go back to my Agressor that I play for about 10 hrs so far.

Agressor: Relief to play back with that MP as My little training (1hr) was in fact a kind of warm up before our weekly evening team tournament. IMO The chop are more easy than the Shockwave. I hit it with a vertical movement. The ball goes into the pips and sent it back like a trampoline. The pimple really play a big role into the chop. If I chop with more speed the ball just goes back more rapidly. A big plus with the chop is that the height of the ball return is not that much affected by the opponent spin. More spin from the opponent mean more penetration into the pips that trap more the ball so the return has more reversal and slower. Less spin from the opponent send a ball back that is more rapid ( less penetration into the pips) and it feel that you are creating an offensive chop. The top sheet is an anti spin so the effect of it and the ability for the reversal is helped by that top sheet.

The hit and counter can be done with a lot of variation. I still discover that MP and find it more versatile every mninute I play with it. If you hit it flat the pips doesn't come into play as it has pips with 2.1 mm diameter. If you start to hit with an angle the pips start to influence the shot. You can create spin ( top) at high spin as the pips just help the brushing of the ball. When the ball goes deep into the pips you can create a very low slow top spin ball over the net. I did have some slow top spin ball that bounce twice on the table.

So speed and spin variation is a huge plus for this MP:

slow ball when the pips come into play or fast ball when hit in a flat way.

Spinny ball when pips come into play. Float ball when hit it flat.

Spin of the opponent can be use differently. Bigs pips against the spin to create a float ball, or a very slow and low counter top spin. No interference with the pips to create a flat hit with some reversal or pips with the spin that make a lot of spin.

I can also hit he ball with an horizontal bat angle or vertical angle that create a different spin and speed.

I can't wait to have my 3 hours training in 3 weeks.

I then play 3 matches against 3 diffrents players. I will all of my 3 matches. The variety of my serves with pips and inverted and twiddling kept them on their toes. The way they return my serve dictate the kind of serves I will use. So a very good night in general.


How is shockwave when blocking spinny loops?
Is it disgusting like other popular short pips?


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PostPosted: 09 Jun 2024, 04:32 
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maddrag wrote:
An other monday night at the club. First I Trained for 1 hours.

Shockwave: almost look like inverted. First send a lot of ball over the table then close the blade angle and start to hit the table. Much more rapid than the Agressor. A lot of top spin for a MP. It is more like a SP. The sponge being softer than the Agressor. The chop are a lot different than Agressor. It grip the ball like inverted. I send a lot of ball into the net. You need to open more the blade and shop more horizontaly. You really have to pay attention to the opponent spin to choose the right angle to chop the ball. I saw that the transition between Agressor and Shockwave will take me for about 3 hours to start to play confident so I stop to play the Shockwave to go back to my Agressor that I play for about 10 hrs so far.

Agressor: Relief to play back with that MP as My little training (1hr) was in fact a kind of warm up before our weekly evening team tournament. IMO The chop are more easy than the Shockwave. I hit it with a vertical movement. The ball goes into the pips and sent it back like a trampoline. The pimple really play a big role into the chop. If I chop with more speed the ball just goes back more rapidly. A big plus with the chop is that the height of the ball return is not that much affected by the opponent spin. More spin from the opponent mean more penetration into the pips that trap more the ball so the return has more reversal and slower. Less spin from the opponent send a ball back that is more rapid ( less penetration into the pips) and it feel that you are creating an offensive chop. The top sheet is an anti spin so the effect of it and the ability for the reversal is helped by that top sheet.

The hit and counter can be done with a lot of variation. I still discover that MP and find it more versatile every mninute I play with it. If you hit it flat the pips doesn't come into play as it has pips with 2.1 mm diameter. If you start to hit with an angle the pips start to influence the shot. You can create spin ( top) at high spin as the pips just help the brushing of the ball. When the ball goes deep into the pips you can create a very low slow top spin ball over the net. I did have some slow top spin ball that bounce twice on the table.

So speed and spin variation is a huge plus for this MP:

slow ball when the pips come into play or fast ball when hit in a flat way.

Spinny ball when pips come into play. Float ball when hit it flat.

Spin of the opponent can be use differently. Bigs pips against the spin to create a float ball, or a very slow and low counter top spin. No interference with the pips to create a flat hit with some reversal or pips with the spin that make a lot of spin.

I can also hit he ball with an horizontal bat angle or vertical angle that create a different spin and speed.

I can't wait to have my 3 hours training in 3 weeks.

I then play 3 matches against 3 diffrents players. I will all of my 3 matches. The variety of my serves with pips and inverted and twiddling kept them on their toes. The way they return my serve dictate the kind of serves I will use. So a very good night in general.


So shockwave is more sensitive to spin than a short pip.


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