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Yes, I'm looking forward to hearing from the difference between your regular Matsushita and your "baked" one.

I put Galaxy mars ii and palio 531 on both Matsushita blades, difference in weight is now 15 gram at pretty much the exact same size and shape.

more results: wintec power defence from 72 to 68 gram, another wintec from 73 to 69,butterfly defence alpha from 91 to 87. So far it seems you can get any 2 blades of the same type within 1 gram if the shapes are identical. Maximum weight loss seems to be around 10%, I think this also depends on the wood type and the age of the blade.

The defplay I put in the oven seems to be much slower than my other defplay blades. Testing tonight.

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Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

would be interesting to know whether the "baking" alters the feel of the blade whilst playing/its properties..

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Testing right now, the baking effect is very noticeable on the defplay. Dampening effect is better and attacking with pips is much easier. Tested with 2 defplay blades with giant dragon talon.

The difference is less noticeable on the Matsushita blades but the galaxy rubbers don't seem to work well on this blade. In a blind test I could easily pick the lighter defplay as the playing characteristics are different, on the Matsushita blades probably not.

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Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

Wow! If this both lightens the blade and enhances the dampening effect also, this really is breakthrough research. Good job!

Are you going to try your Nittaku Shake Defense?

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My whole set-up costs less than a sheet of Butterfly Dignics

I really hope this method of reducing blade weight is not half-baked
The playing characteristics remaining unaltered is the second thing I would want to verify, after the weight of course.

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Probably not as my shake defence is a very old blade to begin with so it will most likely not lose much weight. And besides that my shake defense is a prototype without any brand markings so it's a bit too unique to put in my oven.

I really enjoyed playing with the oven baked defplay, overall control was better and attacking was easier. Going to put another defplay in the oven to see if I will get the same effect with this one.

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Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

It seems to vary from blade to blade, on the Matsushita playing characteristics didn't change but the defplay feels different. A wood expert like Ross leidy may have some useful thoughts on playing characteristics and dried wood.

Update: the second defplay is down to 77 gram now after 20 minutes, 76 after 30 minutes

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Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

Elvis did you notice how the forehand is affected?great stuff btw

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There was some difference but the forehand rubbers on the 2 blades were not the same on the defplay blades. On backhand attack was noticeably easier with both pips and inverted. The second defplay that just got the oven treatment has xiom Vega pro (yes I took the rubbers of before putting it in the oven) which sometimes produces strange balls that go straight without any arch whatsoever. Will test soon to see if that has changed now.

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Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

I am very curious when i put my joo se hyuk blade for 10 min in the oven and my nittaku kvu.
I hope i didn't ruin them

I can try the kvu, results soon.

Update: you should probably not try this. The handle is apparently made of 4 separate pieces with some foam inside. All the pieces detached from the blade. I managed to fix this by quickly putting rubber bands on the handle while the glue was still hot.

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Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

I'm sure this is only temporarily drying the blades beyond the natural water weight all wood carries. Weigh them again in a few months and they will be the same weight they started at + weaker tension / flex rebound from the glue being weakened / damaged.

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Haifu whale soft (grips-euro)
Nittaku pimplemini 1.0mm

This is probably correct, but all blades pick up sweat while playing so in theory all blades gain weight over time. I will weigh again in a month or so. The glue layer could get damaged probably but so far I have not seen any layers detaching besides the kvu and this was only at the handle.

I though this would hardly make a change on old blades but I just tried a small no name blade that is easily 30 years old, it went from 90 to 85.

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Competition bats:
Win-tec power def Tibhar 5Q sound Power Update 1.8 * Spinlord Agenda ox
TSP Balsa 3.5 Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound 1.8 * Grass D-tecs ox

Put to rest:
Galaxy T10 Bluefire M2 2.0 Palio Ck531a ox
Victas Koji Matsushita Tibhar Genius+Optimium sound MAX * Spinlord Dornenglanz ox
Donic Defplay Senso Tibhar Aurus Sound Black max * Grass D-tecs ox

Check out my quest for my new blade here: http://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=23241
Current standings:
Butterfly Matshushita powerdefence * Joola Chen Weixing * Nittaku KVU * Nittaku Shake defense* Tibhar stratus power defense * Victas Koji Matsushita * Yasaka Sweeper * Win-Tec power defence

Very interesting experiment. I'm curious if the blade were to put in microwave instead of oven. Have you tried ?