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Author:  Sami [ 12 Jan 2022, 11:17 ]
Post subject:  Off - Blade for modern defense
I am going to change my all + blade , I need an off - blade for chopping away from the table with P1V 1.0 .What blade would you recommend?

Thank you !
Author:  ootbs [ 12 Jan 2022, 19:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
Sami wrote:
I am going to change my all + blade , I need an off - blade for chopping away from the table with P1V 1.0 .What blade would you recommend?

Thank you !


Some options are ..

  • Butterfly Petr Korbel
  • Tibhar Stratus Powerwood (very similar to Korbel)
  • Butterfly Diode V
  • Victas Koji Matsushita OFF
  • Stiga Clipper (CR)
Author:  camrong [ 12 Jan 2022, 21:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
Avalox P-700 with TSP Curl P1R 1.5 mm spongue, seems to work Quite well, The P-700 is the same speed as the Stiga Clipper but it's Off rated. I wouldn't recommend Balsa and Carbon layers in the blade as they make it non linear. There are several off- wood blades in the stiga clipper series which should work well.
Author:  deva sarjan [ 13 Jan 2022, 00:13 ]
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Victas KM Offensive
Author:  Ultravisitor [ 13 Jan 2022, 17:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
Spinlord Ultracarbon DEF - a OFF- Blade with innercarbon Construction and big blade size
Author:  Sami [ 14 Jan 2022, 02:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
I was told BTY Primorac off - was another option . However,the new version seems to be harder , stiffer and a tad faster .It is rather difficult to find the old version , though .

I was wondering if any 5 limba ply blade could do the trick . I don't think slow defensive blades are better for modern defense; instead, off - limba blades give more spin and variation so the defender also has an opportunity to attack , right?
Author:  Sami [ 15 Jan 2022, 02:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
I wonder if Neottlec Vodoo Classic is a great off blade for chopping.Has anybody used it? it is very good quality and cheap :)
Author:  Omut [ 22 Jan 2022, 07:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
Stiga Clipper Wood is an excellent blade for chopping. And it is very good for counter attack with proper FH inverted rubber when away from the table.

I suggest the heavier exemplar of Clipper if possible.

I personally did not tried CR version, it may be better or worse then basic legendary Clipper.
Author:  kevgeomcc [ 24 Jan 2022, 07:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
Sami wrote:
I was told BTY Primorac off - was another option . However,the new version seems to be harder , stiffer and a tad faster .It is rather difficult to find the old version , though .

I was wondering if any 5 limba ply blade could do the trick . I don't think slow defensive blades are better for modern defense; instead, off - limba blades give more spin and variation so the defender also has an opportunity to attack , right?

This is true, and you might want to look at the Xiom Aegis. Great blade. Very big but I downsized mine to 160 x 152, and it plays great. It's fast when you want it to be but very stable for chopping. Also blocks well, soaking up power--no funk, it's too soft for that, but it works. It's a basic 5 ply, limba outer set up. And cheap (ish). I use it with Ox Dornenglanz and Fastarc G 1 2.0.
Author:  Sami [ 26 Jan 2022, 00:52 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
Thank you so much to everybody for the suggestions.I wonder which Clipper version is the best for chopping. :^)

Also,I don't think all limba based blades are good for chopping.Imo , the thickness of the limba ply is the key.

Some time ago I tested a Primorac off - with Feint Long 3 and it chopped very badly, however, with TSP curl p1R in 1.0 it worked well.Maybe FL 3 needs a softer blade? .

Got another question : is the Stiga vertical /horizontal 55 a great rival of TSP curl p1r? Some people say the Stigas are easier to control . :)
Author:  Omut [ 11 Mar 2022, 19:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
There are several disjoint goals for equipment in chopping game.
1) Maximum generated and reversal underspin. This goal seems to be obsolete with 40+ balls.
2) Maximum and hidden spin variations. More effective when return is fast. I think the choice of pips-out rubber matters here.
3) Maximum control of chopped ball return height and depth.

It looks like stronger defenders prefer harder (CR or carbon) blades.

I personally belief that 7-ply blades are superior to 5-ply in general away from the table. I like Stiga Clipper's long flat trajectory for the 3rd goal among several similar 7-ply all wood OFF class blades. I cannot rate my chopping for 1 and 2 as I my and my opponents level is not high and stable enough.
Author:  ludo [ 03 Oct 2022, 04:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
After having tested many oversized Def blades, I just can't handle their weights.
So I started looking for an ALL+/OFF- regular sized blade that can chop well.
I tested the Clipper mentioned above but the limba is just too bouncy unless you use very slow LP or SP on BH.
Since I use Spectol with a thick sponge, the best 3 blades I found suitable are:
. BTY Grubba ALL+ (old model)
. BTY Primorac OFF- (old model)
. Tibhar IV-S SGS
I keep playing with the Tibhar because of its feel and control. It's a stiff blade (7.1mm thick) but soft (5 plies of ayous).
It can do everything well with a fast tensor on FH.
On top of that, it's super cheap and easily found in light weights.
Author:  ALC_Agent [ 04 Oct 2022, 15:17 ]
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Juic Kalinic, if you can find one. Basswood is a top tier wood for chopping and defending.
Author:  ludo [ 04 Oct 2022, 19:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Off - Blade for modern defense
ALC_Agent wrote:
Juic Kalinic, if you can find one. Basswood is a top tier wood for chopping and defending.


Speaking of basswood, I would love to find that DHS 08 Classic (7 plies basswood) that Hou Yinchao uses :rock:
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